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07-08-2009, 02:54 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | What's up Hey, what's up, I'm Ted, 21 year old student in Chicago, born in Cleveland, ardent follower of politics, staunch center-leftist (if you can be a staunch center-leftist). I'm here for the politics.
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07-08-2009, 02:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by aDrag Hey, what's up, I'm Ted, 21 year old...born in Cleveland...
My condolences.
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07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by aDrag Hey, what's up, I'm Ted, 21 year old student in Chicago, born in Cleveland, ardent follower of politics, staunch center-leftist (if you can be a staunch center-leftist). I'm here for the politics.
...That wasn't very exciting, but I am excited to be here. Welcome from Indiana! | 
07-08-2009, 03:46 PM
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07-08-2009, 03:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by hjmick I was born in Nelsonville. Rickie, Brian or Willie? | 
07-08-2009, 03:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by hjmick I was born in Nelsonville. Rickie, Brian or Willie? Ohio. But I did see Rick Nelson perform once.
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07-08-2009, 03:56 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | I'm center-left because I'm more in the center than on the left but more on the left than the right. I'm pro-choice, agnostic, black, pro-union, strict-interpretationist, techno-utopian, utilitarian, in support of UHC, anti-DADT, anti-DOMA, willing to pay high taxes etc., but I also support 2nd amendment rights, a large military budget, limited foreign intervention (conversely), limited government (beyond that) and a bunch of other stuff. I guess I'm a bit of a libertarian who wants government to intervene in good ways. How would you classify me?
In American politics, I think we get so hung up on the divide between the dems and republicans that nobody realizes it's possible to stand somewhere between the two spectra of their platforms. | 
07-08-2009, 04:07 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by aDrag I'm center-left because I'm more in the center than on the left but more on the left than the right. I'm pro-choice, agnostic, black, pro-union, strict-interpretationist, techno-utopian, utilitarian, in support of UHC, anti-DADT, anti-DOMA, willing to pay high taxes etc., but I also support 2nd amendment rights, a large military budget, limited foreign intervention (conversely), limited government (beyond that) and a bunch of other stuff. I guess I'm a bit of a libertarian who wants government to intervene in good ways. How would you classify me?
In American politics, I think we get so hung up on the divide between the dems and republicans that nobody realizes it's possible to stand somewhere between the two spectra of their platforms. As a wide-eyed neophyte barely out of their teens who hasn't been repeatedly smacked between the eyes with the 2x4 of life enough to realize that they are hopelessly idealistic.
Welcome to the board.
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07-08-2009, 04:14 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | What gives you the impression that I'm hopelessly idealistic? Having stances at my age? Since when do you have to be old to have convictions?
Edit: Great to be here. | 
07-08-2009, 04:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by aDrag What gives you the impression that I'm hopelessly idealistic? Having stances at my age? Since when do you have to be old to have convictions?
Edit: Great to be here. Nope, not having stances. That's fine. Maybe it's this line that kind of crystallizes it for me. Quote: I'm a bit of a libertarian who wants government to intervene in good ways So, maybe you hopeless. But you are definitely idealistic.
The best you can hope from government is that they don't do harm; to expect them to do good is fantasy.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -- C.S. Lewis | 
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07-08-2009, 04:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tech_Esq
The best you can hope from government is that they don't do harm; to expect them to do good is fantasy. Thanks RodISHI--
Tech_Esq: What about schools and roads? Maybe this is an instance where you and I differ but I don't trust in the ability of private organizations to provide services that offer no direct profit. I think highways are good and the government does that. Hell, I even think the post office is good--you put a letter in your mailbox and for 43 cents a guy will come get it and it will go to wherever you want in two days! |  | |
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