$90 BILLION Dollars A Year Spent On Welfare For Illegal Aliens!

And of course, these kids are looked up to by other kids -- not only sucking up our money, but also spreading the "social" disease. And people wonder why I homeschool.

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I must admit even as a bleeding heart liberal I have mixed feelings about ESL programs. I immigrated with my family back in the 70’s and as there was no ESL program for European languages it forced me to learn English VERY quickly if I wanted to relate to any of the other kids. I think ESL programs stand in the way of assimilation by creating a separate group off the bat and, like the court said in Brown v. Board of Ed, separated by its very nature can never be equal.

We seem to spend a lot of dollars trying to teach kids in special (read segregated) class in a language other than English. The net effect is to cost more money than need be and prevent immigrants from assimilating into American culture. Where I grew up they did have ESL classes for Asian students (Korean, Vietnamese, Laotian, etc.) and my impression was that the kids who stayed in those classes past elementary school ended up excluded from the social experience of being an “American teenager” where as a couple of my friends who toughed it out in English based classes were seen as just normal kids.

I know that if I had the crutch of ESL I would never have lost my original accent and I would have hated going through high school sounding like my Dad.

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Tourist pay taxes. You're in America now, you must obey the law of the land. We're not living in the dark ages anymore!

We are nation of laws, no one is above the law. Why should we reward illegal aliens for breaking the laws?

To reward illegal aliens for breaking the laws would be like, letting a bank robber keep the money he stole from a bank heist, after he gets out of jail.

The illegal alien don't deserve to be rewarded they need to be arrest and returned to their country of origin! They cost the American taxpayer's more than they put into the system. They also murder people.

Big business runs the media and politicians, lobbyist legally bribe our politicians to run America into the ground.

Why should illegal aliens be treated better than the citizens of the United States? Answer that question

If you feel so strongly about illegal aliens why don't you go to their country and fix their government. Riot in the streets and make their government provide jobs, food, education and medical care.

No one is scared of LEGAL IMMIGRATION. The illegal aliens can come the right way OR don't come at. Maybe you could help them in their own country obtain the proper paper work required by Federal law to immigrate. Just like the rest of the immigrants that want to come to America! File the proper paper work and get in line, LEGAL OR LEAVE!

I don’t get your argument, tourists don’t pay social security & medicare taxes unless they are working here illegally so they shouldn’t be entitled to those benefits. If you want to choke off the flow of illegals hit the people who hire them, as long as there is a market for their labor people will come across the border.

What’s the reward? I don’t get this argument.

Right, that’s why all the focus is on the family trying to get into the country rather than the Wal-Mart or Farm that employs them because they will work for less than minimum wage under the threat of deportation, big business does not want a source of cheep docile labor chocked off.

How are they being treated better?

Um…because I am an American and America is founded on immigrants seeking a better life.

Look, if someone is going to leave their family behind, cross a desert where it reaches 120’, swim through a sewage filled wash, climb a barb wire fence and risk being shot by border guards and Militia Minute Men for a manual labor job that pays $1.25 per hour; they deserve citizenship more then at least 10% of the folks who happen to be born on US territory.

One last thing, I am generally proud to be an American and I love my adopted homeland, but I felt true shame the first time my family was stopped at an INS checkpoint on highway 8 (San Diego to Tucson) and asked for our papers…That shouldn’t happen in my America.

Of course they are, Xenophobic people have always shaped US immigration to prevent “undesirables” from immigrating legally, in the 1800s it was the Irish, then the Italians, then the Chinese, they anyone not of “Caucasian Decent” then not Caucasians either unless they derived from northern European heritage. What is “legal” and “Illegal” when it comes to immigration has a lot to do with the general attitude toward a specific type of immigrant at a certain time in history.

I will just keep working to open up US borders so that we can keep attracting the best and brightest from all over the world and keep America the land of opportunity.

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Immigrants do have rights, illegals do not. They take from the rest of us. They keep our wages low, and as a result less taxes go into the state budget and they end up making the taxes on our citizens increase. To grant these law breakers ANYTHING is a slap in the face to every LEGAL immigrant in this nation. Why should anyone get the background check, the health check, pay the fees, fill out the forms, go through the interview process AND get sponsors if all they have to do is walk across our border ILLEGALLY and get the same benefits?

Do you have any idea how many millions of people are denied entry to this nation every year and don't break our laws to get here? Why do you think illegals deserve more rights than those people? Because they are willing to break our laws??? That just makes no sense whatsoever.

TURBOSWEDE,

America is not yours to give away. I'm playing the tinyest violin in the world for you right now. Can you hear it? The only thing illegal aliens deserve is a good kick in the pants and deported back to their country of origin. Why don't go too, to help them come back the legal way. You're need there, run along...

The Department of Health and Human Services spent $672.9 billion in 2007 according to financial analyst Edwin S. Rubenstein.
“Immigrants are poorer, pay less tax, and are more likely to receive public benefits than American citizens,” said Edwin Rubenstein, reporting on the National Research Council’s new book: “The New Americans: Economic, Demographics and Fiscal Effects of Immigration.” The Social Contract Winter 2007-08. The Social Contract Press - a quarterly journal on population, environment, public issues, international migration, immigration, language and assimilation
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http://nationalwriterssyndicate.com/...o_pdf=1&id=483

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DIRECT LINK; To The Department Of Homeland Security Report by Shadow Secretary of Homeland Security Edwin S. Rubenstein.
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.pdf

Right but it’s not yours to deny either.

Why play a Violin for me, I think the pro-immigration side of the argument is winning.

Oh and it looks like your source doesn’t discriminate vey much between legal and illegal immigrants, how about this. If you avoid linking ultra-right sources I will refrain from linking articles from the Revolutionary Worker.

Fiscal Impact of America's Foreign-Born Population - Social Contract Press - a quarterly journal on population, environment, public issues, international migration, immigration, language and assimilation


Oh, and as the DHHS budget for 2008 is $9.8 Billion, I doubt they spent $672.9 Billion on “Immigrants” (leagal or otherwise) in 2007.

So Sovereignty, what tribe do you belong to?

I think I will stay here and double my efforts on opening up the borders so that those looking for a place where hard work equates to success can continue to keep America strong in the coming century.

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Hurry up and drink the rest of your KOOLAID! I'm an American Citizen natural born, so I guess that's what tribe I am from. What 3rd World cesspool country is your mama from?

Perhaps you will like these SOURCES better:

The Fiscal Impact of immigration An Analysis of the Cost to 15 Federal Departments and Agencies
The Social Contract: An Exclusive Report Department of Homeland Security by Shadow Secretary of Homeland Security Edwin S. Rubenstein
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.pdf

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Web page:
Health and Human Services ... Department of Health and Human Services spent $672.9 billion in 2007 - Yahoo! Search Results


Turbowsede,

The illegal aliens and their supporters have got some nerve complaining, when its U.S. Taxpayers that are footing the bills for their every need. It's the taxpayers that feed, house and cloth them and born their young and rear and educate them and provide the medical care they use, and I might add fine medical care!

If it wasn’t for the American taxpayers illegal aliens and their Anchor babies would be squatting around a camp fire making dinner every night. They’d be living in stick and mud huts with 6 kids running around in loin cloths, chewing on bones!

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The Department of Health and Human Services spent $672.9 billion in 2007 according to financial analyst Edwin S. Rubenstein.

“Immigrants are poorer, pay less tax, and are more likely to receive public benefits than American citizens,” said Edwin Rubenstein, reporting on the National Research Council’s new book: “The New Americans: Economic, Demographics and Fiscal Effects of Immigration
SOURCE:
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.pdf

Of course they are cumulative. They all relate to Illegal Immigration

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Is this the cost net of taxes paid by illegals? Also, what about the increase in profits to businesses or the lower CoGS passed on to customers? You have to know all of the above before you can calculate actual cost. Has this been done. If not then what is the real point of your argument?

In case you couldn't read the teachers post, those swarming our borders are not the best and brightest from all over the world and they are doing anything but continuing to make America the land of opportunity. With a more than 50% out of wedlock birthrate, what they're creating is another third world like the one they left behind.

One last thing, I am generally proud to be an American and I love my adopted homeland, but I felt true shame the first time my family was stopped at an INS checkpoint on highway 8 (San Diego to Tucson) and asked for our papers…That shouldn’t happen in my America.

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I'm so glad you are proud of this country that granted you and your family entrance. I'm so glad you want all the peoples of the world to come here and overrun our country. I'm so glad no one taught you about over population or the fact that America's resources are limited. Right here, in our state, (yes I live in WA also) at the current rate of growth, our state will run out of water by 2016. They've been trying for the last 30 years to fix the traffic problem and failed miserably, do you really think they'll fix the water problem in 8 years?

BTW, my father was career Air Force. My family was stationed in England when Hungary was taken over by the communists. My family took in a couple that had escaped Hungary and they lived with us for over a year. My father tried, unsuccessfully to get the couple into our country but they were denied. It didn't matter that my father was career Air Force for the USA or that my parents, grand parents and great grandparents had all been Americans and many of them have served in the military, our friends were denied entry to our country. They ended up living out their lives in Canada.

Now explain to me why you believe illegals deserve more rights than our friends?

Um...Washington State, run out of water, are you high?

My family didn't have any trouble geting into America, we were white, Northern European and had over $1M to start a business. Too bad for those Hungarian Commies though.

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Okay, I can't find the report documenting our problem with water. Here's the closest thing I can find.

FOOD, LAND, POPULATION and the U.S. ECONOMY

At the present growth rate of 1.1% per year, the U.S. population will double to more than half a billion people within the next 60 years. It is estimated that approximately one acre of land is lost due to urbanization and highway construction alone for every person added to the U.S. population.
This means that only 0.6 acres of farmland would be available to grow food for each American in 2050, as opposed to the 1.8 acres per capita available today. At least 1.2 acres per person is required in order to maintain current American dietary standards. Food prices are projected to increase 3 to 5-fold within this period.
If present population growth, domestic food consumption and topsoil loss trends continue, the U.S. will most likely cease to be a food exporter by approximately 2025 because food grown in the U.S. will be needed for domestic purposes.
Since food exports earn $40 billion for the U.S. annually, the loss of this income source would result in an even greater increase in America's trade deficit.
Considering that America is the world's largest food exporter, the future survival of millions of people around the world may also come into question if food exports from the U.S. were to cease.

We cannot afford to take in the rest of the world. With your $million, perhaps you could sponsor a poor hispanic family so they could come legally? No one would object to that. My family has sponsored several immigrants. How many has yours sponsored and why do you believe that the illegal immigrants have more rights than the legal immigrants? Than our friends that were denied entry?