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the Niihau event influenced the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt to summarily remove more than 100,000 persons of Japanese ancestry from the West Coast and intern them in the U.S. interior.

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So, Mojo2? That's how America thinks about the traitorous far right today.

In fact, my dad and step dad, who both fought the Japanese as infantry and marine riflemen in WWII, would tell you the military training films were far worse.

Most people have a very difficult time in killing people.

Some of us in the military later adapted without any problems, others not so much.
Now Jake....or if you prefer, Pajama Boy, please do not equate your Democrat colleagues with actual Americans.
Henry, you are not American in the first place, haven't served in the second place, and don't understand adult conversation. Hush.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day but you, PajamaJake, have just proven that you're not as reliable as even the most stopped of clocks. Perhaps you'd feel less self-hatred were you to just admit to yourself what we already know- that you're a simple Democrat.
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"The exclusion and incarceration of Japanese Americans began in March 1942 with Roosevelt's creation of The War Relocation Authority, or WRA. During the first phase, internees were transported on trains and busses under military guard to the 12 hastily prepared temporary detention centers in California and one in Oregon. At these facilities detainees were housed in livestock stalls or crowded, windowless shacks that lacked electricity or even basic sanitation facilities. Food was in short supply."


"The second phase began midsummer and involved moving approximately 500 deportees daily from the temporary detention centers to permanent camps surrounded with barbed wire and guard towers. Guards were instructed to shoot anyone attempting to leave. These camps were located in remote, uninhabitable areas."


"Conditions in the camps, even by the standards of the day, were inexcusable. The structures consisted of tar paper buildings with no insulation. There was no privacy with several families living together in each structure. Meals were taken communally. Those forced into the camps lost their homes and businesses -- not to mention their possessions. They suffered the loss of faith in the government and the humiliation of being confined as traitors in their own country. And finally, many were used for free labor. In June of 1942, 1600 detainees were sent from assembly and relocation centers to fill sugar beet labor shortages in Oregon, Utah, Idaho, and Montana -- and by October over 8000 detainees were at work saving the crop harvest in various western states. Amazingly, two-thirds of those incarcerated were U.S. citizens."


"It is ironic that while their parents were forced into concentration camps, many young Japanese Americans found the courage to fight for -- not against -- America. "


"Throughout the course of World War II, not a single incident of espionage or treason was found to be committed by Japanese Americans. Japanese Americans in Hawaii were spared the humiliation of "relocation" simply because of the logistical problems associated with transporting a third of the state's population to the mainland. Even in Hawaii, with such a large and unrestrained Japanese-American population, there is not a single incident of espionage or treason!"


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“The very fact that no sabotage has taken place to date,” DeWitt explained as the program of repression began, “is a disturbing and confirming indication that such action will be taken.”

That make sense to anyone? Anyone care to put their own ethnic group into such an equation? No? I didn't think so.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:22 PM
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"Although there were a few voices in the administration against internment—particularly Attorney General Francis Biddle and Gen. Mark Clark, the Army’s deputy chief of staff—the president disregarded the dissenters. "


"By Order of the President, a critically acclaimed 2001 book by Greg Robinson, an American historian at the University of Quebec, revealed a number of incendiary articles about Asians that Franklin Roosevelt wrote in the 1920s. In those articles, the future president asserted that “the mingling of Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results.” FDR argued that because “Japanese immigrants are not capable of assimilation into the American population,” they could not be trusted and their right to purchase land should be restricted."


"FDR’s writings and statements indicate that he regarded both Jews and Asians as having innate biological characteristics that made it difficult, or even impossible, for them to become fully loyal Americans. "


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Usually this material starts with the unstated assumption that there was no legitimate motivation for the whole thing, so every inconvenience, however minor, seems like a crime against humanity.[/B]
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In general, the camps were so different from the camps of Nazi Germany that it is extremely misleading to refer to them as "concentration camps".
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Was FDR being "extremely misleading" when he referred to them as what they were - concentration camps?
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Thanks for the link. A lot more to that incident than I found elsewhere. That combined with the other information, like the community support for the Japanese Empire, the citizenship issues, etc., made it a sound decision to intern them for a while.
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For some reason lost to history FDR managed to talk an old Soldier who had done his duty in WW1 and retired at the highest rank in the Army, into taking over the Philippine defense which was the most likely first target of the Japanese aggressive strike. The decision was a disaster. MacArthur apparently thought he was a part of the State Dept and made his home in Manila with the elitist Philippine government. When the **** hit the fan on the day after Pearl Harbor MacArthur was incoherent and allowed his entire Air-Force to be destroyed on the ground parked wing to wing even after about a 24 hour warning. MacArthur was awarded the Medal of Honor after he was evacuated and left his entire command to become prisoners of the Japanese and worse within four months of Pearl Harbor.
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That combined with the other information, like the community support for the Japanese Empire, the citizenship issues, etc., made it a sound decision to intern them for a while.

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For some reason lost to history FDR managed to talk an old Soldier who had done his duty in WW1 and retired at the highest rank in the Army, into taking over the Philippine defense which was the most likely first target of the Japanese aggressive strike. The decision was a disaster. MacArthur apparently thought he was a part of the State Dept and made his home in Manila with the elitist Philippine government. When the **** hit the fan on the day after Pearl Harbor MacArthur was incoherent and allowed his entire Air-Force to be destroyed on the ground parked wing to wing even after about a 24 hour warning. MacArthur was awarded the Medal of Honor after he was evacuated and left his entire command to become prisoners of the Japanese and worse within four months of Pearl Harbor.
So who would any of the Republicans who ran against Roosevelt have appointed if they had won? It's not like the U.S. Army was huge at the time, and it was pretty much a small 'good ole boy club' at the top, and most were politically well connected, and MacArthur most certainly was well connected. It was a miracle Eisenhower was leapfrogged to the top when the war broke out.

MacAurthur lived in Manila and MacAurthur thought he was a 'part of the State Dept.' because he was the in control of the Philippine govt.'s military at the time; they were still a semi-independent U.S. colony.

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When the Commonwealth of the Philippines achieved semi-independent status in 1935, President of the Philippines Manuel Quezon asked MacArthur to supervise the creation of a Philippine Army. Quezon and MacArthur had been personal friends since the latter's father had been Governor-General of the Philippines, 35 years earlier. With President Roosevelt's approval, MacArthur accepted the assignment. It was agreed that MacArthur would receive the rank of field marshal, with its salary and allowances, in addition to his major general's salary as Military Advisor to the Commonwealth Government of the Philippines.[99] It would be his fifth tour in the Far East. MacArthur sailed from San Francisco on the SS President Hoover in October 1935,[100]
He was 'Johnny on the spot' when the war broke out, had knowledge of and good relations with the Philippine govt., thus the logical choice.

Would a Republican have appointed somebody different? Who had a better resume? Ike had been there, but he got tapped to run the war in Europe, the higher priority at the time.

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For some reason lost to history FDR managed to talk an old Soldier who had done his duty in WW1 and retired at the highest rank in the Army, into taking over the Philippine defense which was the most likely first target of the Japanese aggressive strike. The decision was a disaster. MacArthur apparently thought he was a part of the State Dept and made his home in Manila with the elitist Philippine government. When the **** hit the fan on the day after Pearl Harbor MacArthur was incoherent and allowed his entire Air-Force to be destroyed on the ground parked wing to wing even after about a 24 hour warning. MacArthur was awarded the Medal of Honor after he was evacuated and left his entire command to become prisoners of the Japanese and worse within four months of Pearl Harbor.
So who would any of the Republicans who ran against Roosevelt have appointed if they had won? It's not like the U.S. Army was huge at the time, and it was pretty much a small 'good ole boy club' at the top, and most were politically well connected, and MacArthur most certainly was well connected. It was a miracle Eisenhower was leapfrogged to the top when the war broke out.

MacAurthur lived in Manila and MacAurthur thought he was a 'part of the State Dept.' because he was the in control of the Philippine govt.'s military at the time; they were still a semi-independent U.S. colony.

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Field Marshal of the Philippine Army

When the Commonwealth of the Philippines achieved semi-independent status in 1935, President of the Philippines Manuel Quezon asked MacArthur to supervise the creation of a Philippine Army. Quezon and MacArthur had been personal friends since the latter's father had been Governor-General of the Philippines, 35 years earlier. With President Roosevelt's approval, MacArthur accepted the assignment. It was agreed that MacArthur would receive the rank of field marshal, with its salary and allowances, in addition to his major general's salary as Military Advisor to the Commonwealth Government of the Philippines.[99] It would be his fifth tour in the Far East. MacArthur sailed from San Francisco on the SS President Hoover in October 1935,[100]
He was 'Johnny on the spot' when the war broke out, had knowledge of and good relations with the Philippine govt., thus the logical choice.

Would a Republican have appointed somebody different? Who had a better resume? Ike had been there, but he got tapped to run the war in Europe, the higher priority at the time.
MacArthur was touted to be on the Republican ticket for president a couple of times, but at that time the Republican party was less right wing than today, so Mac never made it. Today Mac might have gotten the nomination.
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For some reason lost to history FDR managed to talk an old Soldier who had done his duty in WW1 and retired at the highest rank in the Army, into taking over the Philippine defense which was the most likely first target of the Japanese aggressive strike. The decision was a disaster. MacArthur apparently thought he was a part of the State Dept and made his home in Manila with the elitist Philippine government. When the **** hit the fan on the day after Pearl Harbor MacArthur was incoherent and allowed his entire Air-Force to be destroyed on the ground parked wing to wing even after about a 24 hour warning. MacArthur was awarded the Medal of Honor after he was evacuated and left his entire command to become prisoners of the Japanese and worse within four months of Pearl Harbor.
So who would any of the Republicans who ran against Roosevelt have appointed if they had won? It's not like the U.S. Army was huge at the time, and it was pretty much a small 'good ole boy club' at the top, and most were politically well connected, and MacArthur most certainly was well connected. It was a miracle Eisenhower was leapfrogged to the top when the war broke out.

MacAurthur lived in Manila and MacAurthur thought he was a 'part of the State Dept.' because he was the in control of the Philippine govt.'s military at the time; they were still a semi-independent U.S. colony.

Douglas MacArthur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Field Marshal of the Philippine Army

When the Commonwealth of the Philippines achieved semi-independent status in 1935, President of the Philippines Manuel Quezon asked MacArthur to supervise the creation of a Philippine Army. Quezon and MacArthur had been personal friends since the latter's father had been Governor-General of the Philippines, 35 years earlier. With President Roosevelt's approval, MacArthur accepted the assignment. It was agreed that MacArthur would receive the rank of field marshal, with its salary and allowances, in addition to his major general's salary as Military Advisor to the Commonwealth Government of the Philippines.[99] It would be his fifth tour in the Far East. MacArthur sailed from San Francisco on the SS President Hoover in October 1935,[100]
He was 'Johnny on the spot' when the war broke out, had knowledge of and good relations with the Philippine govt., thus the logical choice.

Would a Republican have appointed somebody different? Who had a better resume? Ike had been there, but he got tapped to run the war in Europe, the higher priority at the time.
MacArthur was touted to be on the Republican ticket for president a couple of times, but at that time the Republican party was less right wing than today, so Mac never made it. Today Mac might have gotten the nomination.
Yes. He ran in Wisconsin on a Republican ticket in 1953, and was defeated, and that ended his plans for running for President. I forget if the Wisconsin run was for Senator, Congressman, or Governor. Getting elected for Governor would have been the fast track for a Presidential bid. He was probably too middle of the road for today's R's.

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