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Frank, were you born this ignorant?

The War on Poverty was a program that any conservative should support. But you right wing turds just TALK about opportunity, when all you really believe in is punishment and hatred.

The War on Poverty, what it is and isn't...

There's always the 'able bodied but lazy poor person', the 'bleeding heart liberal' who just wants to hand out other people's money and of course, the clear headed 'conservative' whose 'tough love' always saves the day. Well, I refuse to play along. If you had the intelligence and curiosity to find out what the 'War on Poverty' was about and what it wasn't about, it would save you from all the bloviation that comes out of your ass.

When JFK's brother-in law Sargent Shriver accepted LBJ's challenge and took on the 'War on Poverty' the first thing he discovered was rather startling and disturbing. Half of the Americans living in poverty were children. Another large segment were elderly and another segment were mentally and/or physically disabled. So a HUGE segment of the poor fit the TRUE definition of a dependent. So there is an obligation as a civil society to make sure those real dependents are not trampled on or extinguished.

To address some of the players in your fairy tale, voila! We have an unabashed flaming liberal...Sargent Shriver. But I hate to disappoint you. Sargent Shriver hated welfare and had no intention of creating a handout program. He didn't believe in handouts, he believed in community action. The 'War on Poverty' was called the Office of Economic Opportunity. The core principles were opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment. The program's aims were maximum feasible participation. One of the concepts of empowerment was poor people had a right to one-third of the seats on every local poverty program board. It was a community based program that focused on education as the keys to the city. Programs such as VISTA, Job Corps, Community Action Program, and Head Start were created to increase opportunity for the poor so they could pull themselves out of poverty with a hand UP, not a hand out. Even when Johnson effectively pulled the plug on the War on Poverty to fund the war in Vietnam, Shriver fought on and won. During the Shriver years more Americans got out of poverty than during any similar time in our history. (The Clinton years - employing the same philosophy - were the second best.)Ref
Monyihan nailed it in 1965! He correctly identified disintergration of the black family as the problem, so Democrats did all they could to make it worse
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Importance

The Moynihan Report has had long-lasting and important implications. Writing to President Lyndon Johnson, then-Assistant Secretary of Labor Patrick Moynihan argued that, without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers. This would cause rates of divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births to skyrocket in the black community (a trend that had already begun by the mid-1960s)—leading to vast increases in the numbers of female-headed households and the high rates of poverty, low educational outcomes, and inflated rates of abuse that are associated with them. Moynihan made a compelling contemporary argument for the provision of jobs, job programs, vocational training, and educational programs for the Black community. Modern scholars, including Douglas Massey, now consider the report one of the more influential in the construction of the War on Poverty.
Dems took the Moniyhan Report and did EVERYTHING they could to destroy the black family, so that the Government is now the male head of household in the vast majority of black families. Dem Social Programs have rewarded "divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births" making the male head of household an unnecessary appendage.
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Monyihan nailed it in 1965! He correctly identified disintergration of the black family as the problem, so Democrats did all they could to make it worse
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Thanks for proving your are dumber than a pile of dog shit Frank...

Importance

The Moynihan Report has had long-lasting and important implications. Writing to President Lyndon Johnson, then-Assistant Secretary of Labor Patrick Moynihan argued that, without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers. This would cause rates of divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births to skyrocket in the black community (a trend that had already begun by the mid-1960s)—leading to vast increases in the numbers of female-headed households and the high rates of poverty, low educational outcomes, and inflated rates of abuse that are associated with them. Moynihan made a compelling contemporary argument for the provision of jobs, job programs, vocational training, and educational programs for the Black community. Modern scholars, including Douglas Massey, now consider the report one of the more influential in the construction of the War on Poverty.
Dems took the Moniyhan Report and did EVERYTHING they could to destroy the black family, so that the Government is now the male head of household in the vast majority of black families. Dem Social Programs have rewarded "divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births" making the male head of household an unnecessary appendage.
yes libturds don't believe in science; that's why they pay per illegitimate child! What a great family value!
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Monyihan nailed it in 1965! He correctly identified disintergration of the black family as the problem, so Democrats did all they could to make it worse
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Importance

The Moynihan Report has had long-lasting and important implications. Writing to President Lyndon Johnson, then-Assistant Secretary of Labor Patrick Moynihan argued that, without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers. This would cause rates of divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births to skyrocket in the black community (a trend that had already begun by the mid-1960s)—leading to vast increases in the numbers of female-headed households and the high rates of poverty, low educational outcomes, and inflated rates of abuse that are associated with them. Moynihan made a compelling contemporary argument for the provision of jobs, job programs, vocational training, and educational programs for the Black community. Modern scholars, including Douglas Massey, now consider the report one of the more influential in the construction of the War on Poverty.
Dems took the Moniyhan Report and did EVERYTHING they could to destroy the black family, so that the Government is now the male head of household in the vast majority of black families. Dem Social Programs have rewarded "divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births" making the male head of household an unnecessary appendage.
AGAIN: Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

AGAIN: The Moynihan Report has had long-lasting and important implications. Writing to President Lyndon Johnson, then-Assistant Secretary of Labor Patrick Moynihan argued that, without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers.

AGAIN: No matter how many times you repeat lies, they are still lies. The war on poverty was not a handout program.

AGAIN: The 'War on Poverty' was called the Office of Economic Opportunity. The core principles were opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment. The program's goal was maximum feasible participation. One of the concepts of empowerment was poor people had a right to one-third of the seats on every local poverty program board. It was a community based program that focused on education as the keys to the city. Programs such as VISTA, Job Corps, Community Action Program, and Head Start were created to increase opportunity for the poor so they could pull themselves out of poverty with a hand UP, not a hand out. Even when Johnson effectively pulled the plug on the War on Poverty to fund the war in Vietnam, Shriver fought on and won. During the Shriver years more Americans got out of poverty than during any similar time in our history. (The Clinton years - employing the same philosophy - were the second best.) Ref

Here is one of the agencies created by the WOP...

Job Corps is a program administered by the United States Department of Labor that offers free-of-charge education and vocational training to youth ages 16 to 24.

Job Corps offers career planning, on-the-job training, job placement, residential housing, food service, driver's education, basic health and dental care, a bi-weekly basic living allowance and clothing allowance. Some centers offer childcare programs for single parents as well.

Besides vocational training, the Job Corps program also offers academic training, including basic reading and math, GED attainment, college preparatory, and Limited English Proficiency courses. Some centers also offer programs that allow students to remain in residence at their center while attending college.[citation needed] Job Corps provides career counseling and transition support to its students for up to one year after they graduate from the program.

Career paths

Career paths offered by Job Corps include:

Advanced manufacturing

Communication design
Drafting
Electronic assembly
Machine appliance repair
Machining
Welding
Manufacturing technology
Sign, billboard, and display

Automotive and machine repair

Automobile technician
General services technician
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Facilities maintenance
Floor covering
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HVAC
Industrial engineering technician
Licensed electrician (bilingual)
Mechanical engineering technician
Painting
Plastering
Plumbing
Roto-Rooter plumbing
Tile setting

Extension programs

Advanced Career Training (ACT)
General Educational Development (GED)
Commercial driver's license (CDL)
Off-Center Training (OCT Program)
High school diploma (HSD Program)

Finance and Business

Accounting services
Business management
Clerical occupations
Legal secretary
Insurance and financial services
Marketing
Medical insurance specialist
Office administration
Paralegal
Purchasing

Health care/allied health professions

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EKG technician
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You fascist reactionaries cumwannabee "conservatives" (Jefferson would pee on you) can have you own opinions but not your own facts.

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The Great Society was a great success.
There were two stated goals of the GS: 1) end poverty and 2) end racism.

Prior to entitlement spending that came from the GS, the poverty rate was headed down. Once we started spending, the decline stopped and leveled off and has since INCREASED by over 2%, despite the trillions spent.

How in the hell can you call that a success?
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Poverty prior to Johnsons War on Poverty was people living with no electricity, no running water, no central heat. You had generations of Americans living in shacks and scratching out a living by any means possible. Johnson himself experienced real poverty.

You can't compare poverty today to poverty prior to the 60s
Sure you can. The government has done so in fact. And the findings? The poverty rate has INCREASED since we started spending on the great society.

True we all have more modern conveniences but that does not change the fact that poverty is up despite spending trillions to fix the problem. Instead, it's worse.
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End of argument.
Okay. Here's a fact: since 1969, the rate of poverty is up over two percent.

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You fascist reactionaries cumwannabee "conservatives" (Jefferson would pee on you) can have you own opinions but not your own facts.

End of argument.
Okay. Here's a fact: since 1969, the rate of poverty is up over two percent.

Well done, well done...
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Poverty prior to Johnsons War on Poverty was people living with no electricity, no running water, no central heat. You had generations of Americans living in shacks and scratching out a living by any means possible. Johnson himself experienced real poverty.

You can't compare poverty today to poverty prior to the 60s
Sure you can. The government has done so in fact. And the findings? The poverty rate has INCREASED since we started spending on the great society.

True we all have more modern conveniences but that does not change the fact that poverty is up despite spending trillions to fix the problem. Instead, it's worse.
The definition of what constitutes poverty has adjusted

While the poverty rate may have stayed the same the standard of living has increased

Not only has the Great Society provided a safety net but it has provided a path out of poverty for millions of Americans
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Poverty prior to Johnsons War on Poverty was people living with no electricity, no running water, no central heat. You had generations of Americans living in shacks and scratching out a living by any means possible. Johnson himself experienced real poverty.

You can't compare poverty today to poverty prior to the 60s
Sure you can. The government has done so in fact. And the findings? The poverty rate has INCREASED since we started spending on the great society.

True we all have more modern conveniences but that does not change the fact that poverty is up despite spending trillions to fix the problem. Instead, it's worse.
The definition of what constitutes poverty has adjusted
Correct, and by each definition the government has used, the rate of poverty has increased.

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While the poverty rate may have stayed the same the standard of living has increased
Due to advancements in technology brought about by competitive markets and competition, which has nothing to do with the rate of poverty. Again, it's up.

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Not only has the Great Society provided a safety net but it has provided a path out of poverty for millions of American
While resulting in EVEN MORE people going into poverty.

You just can't spin your way out of this one. Despite trillions spent through thousands of entitlement programs, poverty has increase since the great society started spending with the goal of ending poverty.

It's been a massive failure no matter how much you swear it wasn't.
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You fascist reactionaries cumwannabee "conservatives" (Jefferson would pee on you) can have you own opinions but not your own facts.

End of argument.
Okay. Here's a fact: since 1969, the rate of poverty is up over two percent.

Well done, well done...
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Nice spin. You've had 50 years of entitlements and spent trillions, yet poverty is up. Massive fail no matter how you attempt to spin it.
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poverty has increase since the great society started spending with the goal of ending poverty.
Yes, the liberals would have us believe the near instant collapse of the black family exactly at the time of the Great Society was just coincidence and the continued collapse of our economy during FDR's liberal reign or Mao liberal reign in China had nothing to do with idiotic liberal disincentives.

The liberals would have us believe they spied for Stalin because he was making such great progress against the huge recession the Czars left him!!

Liberals simply lack the IQ to understand that an liberal state monopoly can't manage better than millions of people carefully looking out for their own best interests in voluntary peaceful capitalist relationships.
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Okay. Here's a fact: since 1969, the rate of poverty is up over two percent.

Well done, well done...
Well done, well done to the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006 than set the conditions for the Great Recession. And well done to this administration in getting unemployment by more than 20% from its highest level and getting back more than 50% of the jobs lost because of the Great Recession.
Nice spin. You've had 50 years of entitlements and spent trillions, yet poverty is up. Massive fail no matter how you attempt to spin it.
Dealing with you is like dealing with a mentally damaged child, Edward. The poverty is up because of the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006, EB, no other reason: it crashed the economy badly. And it will go back to pre-2006 rates by 2016. Then President Christie will continue to reduce those rates.
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Well done, well done to the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006 than set the conditions for the Great Recession. And well done to this administration in getting unemployment by more than 20% from its highest level and getting back more than 50% of the jobs lost because of the Great Recession.
Nice spin. You've had 50 years of entitlements and spent trillions, yet poverty is up. Massive fail no matter how you attempt to spin it.
Dealing with you is like dealing with a mentally damaged child, Edward. The poverty is up because of the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006, EB, no other reason: it crashed the economy badly. And it will go back to pre-2006 rates by 2016. Then President Christie will continue to reduce those rates.
Even if you were right, which you're not, the poverty rate would still be, at best, LEVEL! Think about it, not only did the downward trend in the poverty rate stop going down once the entitlement spending took off, it has NOT improved.

Who in the fuck spends trillions of dollars over half a century with no measurable improvement and then tries to call that a success? That's insane. Only a child, perhaps a mentally damaged one, would attempt to make such a claim.
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Nice spin. You've had 50 years of entitlements and spent trillions, yet poverty is up. Massive fail no matter how you attempt to spin it.
Dealing with you is like dealing with a mentally damaged child, Edward. The poverty is up because of the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006, EB, no other reason: it crashed the economy badly. And it will go back to pre-2006 rates by 2016. Then President Christie will continue to reduce those rates.
Even if you were right, which you're not, the poverty rate would still be, at best, LEVEL! Think about it, not only did the downward trend in the poverty rate stop going down once the entitlement spending took off, it has NOT improved.

Who in the fuck spends trillions of dollars over half a century with no measurable improvement and then tries to call that a success? That's insane. Only a child, perhaps a mentally damaged one, would attempt to make such a claim.
I am right and your comment is wrong. How could it be level? Cutting poverty by 40 to 50% over a century is a success. You are mentally damaged for sure.
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