US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Suppose that after the Civil War, the US had become two separate countries.

This is a discussion on Suppose that after the Civil War, the US had become two separate countries. within the History forums, part of the US Discussion category; Can you imagine what they would be like today? The end of the war would have left a devastated South and a heavily industrialized North. ...


Go Back   US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum > US Discussion > History

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 06:15 AM
rdean's Avatar
rddean
Member #20394
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: chicago
Posts: 39,493
Thanks: 996
Thanked 7,104 Times in 5,304 Posts
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 810
rdean could run the Federal Reserve
rdean could run the Federal Reserve rdean could run the Federal Reserve rdean could run the Federal Reserve rdean could run the Federal Reserve rdean could run the Federal Reserve rdean could run the Federal Reserve rdean could run the Federal Reserve rdean could run the Federal Reserve rdean could run the Federal Reserve
Suppose that after the Civil War, the US had become two separate countries.

Can you imagine what they would be like today? The end of the war would have left a devastated South and a heavily industrialized North.

Conservatives would have kept on as slave owners. They would have rebuilt their plantations.

The North would have remained heavily industrialized. Remember, the greatest institutions of American learning are located in the North, or what Conservatives call the "Liberal" part of the country.

Would western states have joined the growing "North" with it's innovation, freedom and centers or learning? Or would they have joined the south with it's slavery, unrest and plantations, including the South's religious mandate.

Would the south had become similar to what is going on in the North Bank and Gaza?

Today, Southern slates are kept afloat by liberal and northern money subsidizing. What would they do without all that Blue State money?
__________________
Grampa Murked U - Where, if anywhere, does personal responsibility fit into that? I made shit wages when I started out in life. In fact my first two bosses only hired me because of the tax incentives they got for hiring an ex con.
Mr. H. - Punk ass nigger meets deserved end. (referring to 17 year old Martin who was chased down and shot dead while armed with a bag of Skittles and a can of Ice Tea)
Rottweiler commenting on Healthcare: That's exactly right. The American people don't deserve shit.
Quantum Windbag on whites committing suicide: I have enough to deal with caring about my friends and family, why the fuck should I care about a bunch of dead people?
Sunni Man - Slavery wasn't addressed or condemned in the Bible.
Tank: Homosexuality, welfare, unemployment, dropouts, STD.s. obesity, fatherless children, abortion, rape, murder are not Republican values, so thats why blacks, hispanics and gays are democrats
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
USMessageBoard.com is the premier Political Forum Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see these ads. Please Register - It's Free!
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 06:33 AM
martybegan's Avatar
Registered User
Member #23094
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 12,298
Thanks: 1,651
Thanked 5,022 Times in 3,196 Posts
Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 3715
martybegan has a reputation beyond repute
martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute martybegan has a reputation beyond repute
Southern Victory Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 06:33 AM
rightwinger's Avatar
Sewer Worker
Member #20321
Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 66,168
Thanks: 19,804
Thanked 22,379 Times in 14,638 Posts
Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 10096
rightwinger has disabled reputation
1. You would still have quasi -Jim Crow Laws that give the appearance of equality but are anything but

2. I think manufacturing would move to the South because they would have Mexico like labor, environmental and safety rules

3. I think the current red states from the west would have joined the South with the Pacific States linked to the North
__________________
.

If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:05 AM
CrusaderFrank's Avatar
Tuscany
Member #19448
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 50,440
Thanks: 20,378
Thanked 18,412 Times in 11,576 Posts
Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 11576
CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati
CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati CrusaderFrank gives orders to the Illuminati
Democrats were slave owners
__________________
Sent from my encryption defeating Supercomputer made of Xbox and Nintendo parts sold to the Chinese

"Democrats have been in Washington, D.C. only because of the Negro vote. They've been down there for years and all the legislation they wanted to bring up they brought up and got it out of the way, and now they bring up you. You put them first and they put you last, cause you are a chump (huge applause). A political chump." -- Malcolm X
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:15 AM
Truthmatters's Avatar
Registered User
Member #5217
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 80,125
Thanks: 2,119
Thanked 6,940 Times in 5,737 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
The south would have had their asses kicked by a slave rebellion.

The north would have supplied weapons.

Slavery is MORALLY wrong.

Mans heart can not abide it without damage to the soul.


Oppression of humans is still happening in the country today.

Just look at what the right tried to do to voters this election as well as for the last thrity years in elections.

Idiots who rail about "racecards" any time black people point out the evils STILL occuring in this nation.


The racists will NOT WIN.

they are dinosaurs stuck in a tar pit.


they will scream and fail until the tar removes them from the face of the earth to the benifit of all still living.
__________________
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan...fraud-20130114

Supreme Court denies RNC bid to end voter fraud consent decree

January 14, 2013

http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2007/2007-190.htm

The introduction of this new principle of representative democracy has rendered useless almost everything written before on the structure of government; Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:18 AM
JWBooth's Avatar
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Member #20043
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Riding with Forrest
Posts: 5,426
Thanks: 3,349
Thanked 2,039 Times in 1,375 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 1873
JWBooth has disabled reputation
To play along with this little fantasy, you need a time line and some more information.
Did the end of the war come about as a result of military victory, negotiated settlement, or popular uprising against war in the north?
If military, does the South achieve military victory in 1861 or later?
It negotiated end of hostilities, was it early in the conflict or later?

The social, financial and military conditions of both countries were negatively affected by the war. When and how the conflict ends largely determines what direction each takes in the what if game.
__________________

The Republican Party, tax collectors for the Democrat's welfare state.
The greatest enemy(s) of your freedoms, your liberties, your way of life isn't hiding in a cave in the Middle East. He isn't teaching in a Madrassa, nor is he the leader of some foreign country, nor the leader of some drug cartel. The greatest enemies of your freedoms, your liberties, and your way of life are seated at desks, crouched behind edifices of concrete and limestone inside Washington's beltway, drawing U.S. Government paychecks.
“My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me.” George Carlin
..."When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." P. J. O'Rourke
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:20 AM
JWBooth's Avatar
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Member #20043
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Riding with Forrest
Posts: 5,426
Thanks: 3,349
Thanked 2,039 Times in 1,375 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 1873
JWBooth has disabled reputation
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters View Post
The south would have had their asses kicked by a slave rebellion.

The north would have supplied weapons.

Slavery is MORALLY wrong.

Mans heart can not abide it without damage to the soul.


Oppression of humans is still happening in the country today.

Just look at what the right tried to do to voters this election as well as for the last thrity years in elections.

Idiots who rail about "racecards" any time black people point out the evils STILL occuring in this nation.


The racists will NOT WIN.

they are dinosaurs stuck in a tar pit.


they will scream and fail until the tar removes them from the face of the earth to the benifit of all still living.
Oh look, somebody woke up dumbass.
__________________

The Republican Party, tax collectors for the Democrat's welfare state.
The greatest enemy(s) of your freedoms, your liberties, your way of life isn't hiding in a cave in the Middle East. He isn't teaching in a Madrassa, nor is he the leader of some foreign country, nor the leader of some drug cartel. The greatest enemies of your freedoms, your liberties, and your way of life are seated at desks, crouched behind edifices of concrete and limestone inside Washington's beltway, drawing U.S. Government paychecks.
“My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me.” George Carlin
..."When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." P. J. O'Rourke
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to JWBooth For This Useful Post:
CrusaderFrank (12-03-2012), Rat in the Hat (12-03-2012)
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:23 AM
Rat in the Hat's Avatar
Director of Thanks Button
Member #23063
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: The board rooms of Kraft & Sargento
Posts: 21,264
Thanks: 16,932
Thanked 13,171 Times in 8,133 Posts
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 5 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 14207
Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati
Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters View Post
The south would have had their asses kicked by a slave rebellion.

The north would have supplied weapons.

Slavery is MORALLY wrong.

Mans heart can not abide it without damage to the soul.


Oppression of humans is still happening in the country today.

Just look at what the right tried to do to voters this election as well as for the last thrity years in elections.

Idiots who rail about "racecards" any time black people point out the evils STILL occuring in this nation.


The racists will NOT WIN.

they are dinosaurs stuck in a tar pit.


they will scream and fail until the tar removes them from the face of the earth to the benifit of all still living.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:25 AM
Truthmatters's Avatar
Registered User
Member #5217
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 80,125
Thanks: 2,119
Thanked 6,940 Times in 5,737 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
you dont care where you fling that tar do you.


sink liitle dino sink
__________________
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan...fraud-20130114

Supreme Court denies RNC bid to end voter fraud consent decree

January 14, 2013

http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2007/2007-190.htm

The introduction of this new principle of representative democracy has rendered useless almost everything written before on the structure of government; Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:27 AM
Rat in the Hat's Avatar
Director of Thanks Button
Member #23063
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: The board rooms of Kraft & Sargento
Posts: 21,264
Thanks: 16,932
Thanked 13,171 Times in 8,133 Posts
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 5 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 14207
Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati
Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati Rat in the Hat gives orders to the Illuminati
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters View Post
you dont care where you fling that tar do you.


sink liitle dino sink
__________________
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Rat in the Hat For This Useful Post:
JWBooth (12-03-2012), Uncensored2008 (12-03-2012)
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:29 AM
TNHarley's Avatar
Registered User
Member #39965
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,005
Thanks: 4,412
Thanked 1,789 Times in 1,241 Posts
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 2003
TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute
TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute
Lincoln was a republican you fuckin idiot
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to TNHarley For This Useful Post:
CrusaderFrank (12-03-2012)
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:31 AM
TNHarley's Avatar
Registered User
Member #39965
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,005
Thanks: 4,412
Thanked 1,789 Times in 1,241 Posts
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 2003
TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute
TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute TNHarley has a reputation beyond repute
But wasnt the republican considered the liberal progressive party back then? I might need to retract my previous statement
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to TNHarley For This Useful Post:
CrusaderFrank (12-03-2012)
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 07:57 AM
rightwinger's Avatar
Sewer Worker
Member #20321
Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 66,168
Thanks: 19,804
Thanked 22,379 Times in 14,638 Posts
Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 10096
rightwinger has disabled reputation
The South would have had to build a fence to keep their slaves from escaping
__________________
.

If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 08:02 AM
Truthmatters's Avatar
Registered User
Member #5217
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 80,125
Thanks: 2,119
Thanked 6,940 Times in 5,737 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quote: Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
Lincoln was a republican you fuckin idiot
who said he wasnt?

so was Ike

So was teddy


Your current party hates them.

why do you continue to pretend you like what lincoln did for this country.

Because you have to pretend you are not racists even though thats the only way you get votes anymore.
__________________
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan...fraud-20130114

Supreme Court denies RNC bid to end voter fraud consent decree

January 14, 2013

http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2007/2007-190.htm

The introduction of this new principle of representative democracy has rendered useless almost everything written before on the structure of government; Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-2012, 08:05 AM
Truthmatters's Avatar
Registered User
Member #5217
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 80,125
Thanks: 2,119
Thanked 6,940 Times in 5,737 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quote: Originally Posted by rightwinger View Post
The South would have had to build a fence to keep their slaves from escaping
The slaves would have revolted.

The north would have supplied them with weapons.


The whole thing would have left the south predomanately black.

the whites would have fled the south because of all the black people knowing they had a right to kill their oppressor.


white southerners would have freaked the fuck out and left.
__________________
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan...fraud-20130114

Supreme Court denies RNC bid to end voter fraud consent decree

January 14, 2013

http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2007/2007-190.htm

The introduction of this new principle of representative democracy has rendered useless almost everything written before on the structure of government; Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
Reply


Lower Navigation
Go Back   US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum > US Discussion > History
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:18 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.