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General Robert E, Lee: Hero or Traitor?

I was listening to a debate this morning on Boston radio with James C. Cobb, distinguished Research Professor at the University of Georgia and Natasha Trethewey, a poet and a professor of creative writing at Emory University.




Robert E. Lee unquestionably became an American Icon after the Civil war was over.

President Ulysses S. Grant lauded him, President Dwight D. Eisenhower said he was “unsullied as he read the pages of history.”

But as the nation stares hard at the sesquicentennial of the War Between the States has the hagiography of some of the battlefield commanders obscured the cause of the war: human bondage?

This hour On Point: Robert E. Lee Revisited.

The Myth And Legend Of Robert E. Lee | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

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Traitor.

Arlington Cemetary..while a nice Ironic punishment..didn't go nearly far enough.
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Traitor.

Arlington Cemetary..while a nice Ironic punishment..didn't go nearly far enough.
Does he get any slack because at that period in our history people were more loyal to their states?
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Traitor.

Arlington Cemetary..while a nice Ironic punishment..didn't go nearly far enough.
Does he get any slack because at that period in our history people were more loyal to their states?
Naw.

He believed in a Gentry Class. He also swore an oath to the United States when he entered the Military.

I have a little more sympathy for the rubes that didn't have slaves, but thought they were defending their homes. Some Rebels couldn't give two shits about slaves.
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Traitor.

Arlington Cemetary..while a nice Ironic punishment..didn't go nearly far enough.
Does he get any slack because at that period in our history people were more loyal to their states?
Naw.

He believed in a Gentry Class. He also swore an oath to the United States when he entered the Military.

I have a little more sympathy for the rubes that didn't have slaves, but thought they were defending their homes. Some Rebels couldn't give two shits about slaves.
Should he have been hung after the war?
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Legally he should have hung for treason as he swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

Heroic b/c he stood up against what he thought was a tyrant in Lincoln.

Through 21st centurary eyes he was a ruthless fuck that wanted to keep people as property and killed his fellow man to do so.

Hell, even the History and Military channels shit on him now. His military and leadership skills seem to have been over rated by history.
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Does he get any slack because at that period in our history people were more loyal to their states?
Naw.

He believed in a Gentry Class. He also swore an oath to the United States when he entered the Military.

I have a little more sympathy for the rubes that didn't have slaves, but thought they were defending their homes. Some Rebels couldn't give two shits about slaves.
Should he have been hung after the war?
Yep.

But honestly..it probably wasn't possible.

Unless you were going to get really punitive on the South in general..reconcilation dictated that kindness to be shown to adversaries.

In the long run..it really didn't matter. He died shortly after the war..a beaten and broken man.
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Naw.

He believed in a Gentry Class. He also swore an oath to the United States when he entered the Military.

I have a little more sympathy for the rubes that didn't have slaves, but thought they were defending their homes. Some Rebels couldn't give two shits about slaves.
Should he have been hung after the war?
Yep.

But honestly..it probably wasn't possible.

Unless you were going to get really punitive on the South in general..reconcilation dictated that kindness to be shown to adversaries.

In the long run..it really didn't matter. He died shortly after the war..a beaten and broken man.
Execution would have been a mercy.

Everything was taken from him.
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Legally he should have hung for treason as he swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

Heroic b/c he stood up against what he thought was a tyrant in Lincoln.

Through 21st centurary eyes he was a ruthless fuck that wanted to keep people as property and killed his fellow man to do so.

Hell, even the History and Military channels shit on him now. His military and leadership skills seem to have been over rated by history.
It seems rencent history is more critical of him. But speaking of Licoln there is a good case (judging by today's standards) to make of him being a war criminal for what he and his generals did to the south.
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Naw.

He believed in a Gentry Class. He also swore an oath to the United States when he entered the Military.

I have a little more sympathy for the rubes that didn't have slaves, but thought they were defending their homes. Some Rebels couldn't give two shits about slaves.
Should he have been hung after the war?
Yep.

But honestly..it probably wasn't possible.

Unless you were going to get really punitive on the South in general..reconcilation dictated that kindness to be shown to adversaries.

In the long run..it really didn't matter. He died shortly after the war..a beaten and broken man.
He really was a big help in bringing the north and south back together after a bitter fight.
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Legally he should have hung for treason as he swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

Heroic b/c he stood up against what he thought was a tyrant in Lincoln.

Through 21st centurary eyes he was a ruthless fuck that wanted to keep people as property and killed his fellow man to do so.

Hell, even the History and Military channels shit on him now. His military and leadership skills seem to have been over rated by history.
It seems rencent history is more critical of him. But speaking of Licoln there is a good case (judging by today's standards) to make of him being a war criminal for what he and his generals did to the south.
Post war times were a bit ruthless. But if you consider that every soldier could have been hung and damn near everyone else put in jail. What did occur was childs play.
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IMO he was a very good general.

IMO morally he was average for a southerner of the time.
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Traitor.

Arlington Cemetary..while a nice Ironic punishment..didn't go nearly far enough.
Does he get any slack because at that period in our history people were more loyal to their states?
No, he doesn't because the history books are written by the victors.

If the Founding Fathers had lost the American Revolution and had all been hung as traitors, every Queen's Birthday, we'd be discussing how wrong they were to be traitors to King and Country. Those bastards!
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IMO he was a very good general.

IMO morally he was average for a southerner of the time.
I think he was a little better, morally speaking, than most men of his time and place. He put his loyalty to his "country" even though he thought it foolish to secede. He also worked to have the southern states work with the northern after the war. He was a man of his times, not PC, but not anymore immoral than Thomas Jefferson who kept slaves himself while speaking about "inalienable rights".

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In early 1861, President Abraham Lincoln invited Lee to take command of the entire Union Army. Lee declined because his home state of Virginia was, despite his wishes, seceding from the Union. When Virginia declared its secession from the Union in April 1861, Lee chose to follow his home state.........Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House on April 9, 1865, marking the end of Confederate hopes; the remaining armies soon capitulated. Lee rejected as folly the starting of a guerrilla campaign against the Yankees and called for reconciliation between the North and South.

After the war, as a college president of what is now Washington and Lee University, Lee supported President Andrew Johnson's program of Reconstruction and intersectional friendship, while opposing the Radical Republican proposals to give freed slaves the vote and take the vote away from ex-Confederates. He urged them to rethink their position between the North and the South, and the reintegration of former Confederates into the nation's political life. Lee became the great Southern hero of the war, and his popularity grew in the North, as well, after his death in 1870. He remains an iconic figure[8] of American military leadership.
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