Healthcare Bill Hit Parade!!

Hey, stupid, the link is to the PDF version of the CBO letter. Try sprinkling the top of your head; maybe half of the gray matter will start to move around inside.

Excuse me, I didn't even click on the link, due to your past displays of

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Your point? I get my information from a huge variety of sources, not the least of which is Congressional Daily, which is straight reporting. I watch/listen on average 15 hours per week of C-Span and also read THEIR links to sources. You will ever win an argument with me by just parroting opinions of others, so don't even try. On the other hand, if you're ever 'right' about something, I'll let you know.

Maggie, I'm not going off topic I'm simply addressing your points and as for Ca. if the bill(s) are perpetuated by the leader of the house who happens to be from Ca. and Mr. Waxman who also happens to be from Ca. and language contained in other bills i.e. cap and trade that point blank refers to Ca. then yes I will keep making reference to it. As for keeping costs down in healthcare , I don't think anyone here who has seen me discuss this issue can dispute that I have always held the position that healthcare costs need to be brought under control. However, I am also not under the mistaken impression that our Govt. is empowered to mandate healthcare for everyone. If you do not like discussing the actual legislation then thats fine with me Maggie, I can I suppose find some propaganda sites and begin to post opinions based as fact.

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Maggie I'm sorry that the contents of the bill disturb you, they should be disturbing to any free thinking American. I have pointed out in the BILL itself both the senate and the house versions on here where it maks reference to coverage. If you choose to to read an analysis from the huffington post and not the bill and have them make up your mind for you then of course your entitled to do that. As for me, I tend look at the text of the language unlike most of the members of congress who don't bother to even read the bills and take it as written. In my last posting from the Senate Version it makes it quite clear who the Senate considers is covered and makes NO REFERENCE to residence requirements or legal status. IF that doesn't make sense to you then of course you can choose to take it as you wish.

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One more thing worthy of note here Maggie, this thread was started by me as a discussion thread on the merits of the bills themselves, and if I happen to take issue with various sections of the bills then that is within keeping of of this thread topic. Again, you have my apologies if the contents of the bill(s) fly in the face of what your being told by the sources you get your information from. However, I have always contented that perhaps that is why our Govt. spends money needlessly because they hope people will take on face value what they tell them and not bother to read what laws they hope to make us abide by,

"Experience teaches us to be most on our guard to protect
liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. Men
born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their
liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty
lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning
but without understanding."
-- Justice Louis Brandeis

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In what way did you not parrot the blogger that has blogged for DailyKOS as well as other liberal websites?

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Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
Will Rogers
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill
And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.

JFK
No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain

BTW she doesn't just write and blog for the other side...

She is a consultant for Cognitive Policy Works, here is a little about CPW.
Cognitive Policy Works
Cognitive Policy Works is an educational center and consulting service that provides strategic guidance to the progressive world.

__________________
Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
Will Rogers
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill
And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.

JFK
No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain

I enjoy debating you, at least your intellectually honest.

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Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
Will Rogers
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill
And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.

JFK
No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain

SEC. 2706. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST INDI22
VIDUAL PARTICIPANTS AND BENEFICIARIES
23 BASED ON HEALTH STATUS.
24 ‘‘A group health plan and a health insurance issuer
25 offering group or individual health insurance coverage,
13
O:\BAI\BAI09A84.xml [file 1 of 6] S.L.C.
1 may not establish rules for eligibility (including continued
2 eligibility) of any individual to enroll under the terms of
3 the plan or coverage based on any of the following health
4 status-related factors in relation to the individual or a de5
pendent of the individual:
6 ‘‘(1) Health status.
7 ‘‘(2) Medical condition (including both physical
8 and mental illnesses).
9 ‘‘(3) Claims experience.
10 ‘‘(4) Receipt of health care.
11 ‘‘(5) Medical history.
12 ‘‘(6) Genetic information.
13 ‘‘(7) Evidence of insurability (including condi14
tions arising out of acts of domestic violence).
15 ‘‘(8) Disability.
16 ‘‘(9) Any other health status-related factor de17
termined appropriate by the Secretary.

As I have stated in the house version the language is clear for those of you who wish to deny it, it's completly up to the Sec. or commissioner as to who they will force the insurance companies to cover or have converage. This one happens to be from the Senate version

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God grant me the courage not to give up what I think is right even though I think it is hopeless.
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2) includes a mechanism, such as a regional
11 medical direction or transport communications sys12
tem, that operates throughout the region to ensure
13 that the patient is taken to the medically appro14
priate facility (whether an initial facility or a higher15
level facility) in a timely fashion;

Would someone please tell what business the Federal Govt. has or empowered by the constitution to dictate where a patient is taken and treated?

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God grant me the courage not to give up what I think is right even though I think it is hopeless.
Chester W. Nimitz

There's no reviving any traces of grey matter there.

This coming from a 'junky' who wants to turn their health care over to a government that has nothing but near bankrupt programs to show as a track record.

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Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
Will Rogers
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill
And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.

JFK
No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain

I find it somewhat troubling that a thread that's intent is to cite the issues related to the ACTUAL legislation before congress would cause people to become upset over it. In fact if the actualy legislation is not matching the talk comming from those that you support no matter what side of the debate that is, then you should be upset about that. However, this thread is a thread to discuss the actual legislation and not the marketing talk associated with it.

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God grant me the courage not to give up what I think is right even though I think it is hopeless.
Chester W. Nimitz

I've never visited DailyKOS in my life. The only thing I've EVER read which was posted by them was that Patreaus-Betrayus stuff in 2007. I also don't read Huffington Post on a regular basis, but they are an excellent site for hyperlinking items in PDF form if one doesn't know the exact wording. You can take a guess and often Google will direct me to the HP, which then has a redirect. [Hope Navy sees this as well.]

My opinions are my own, based on analyzing a variety of publications, etc. As for health care, yes, I believe government intervention IS needed, but no, I don't believe that cost containment has been fully explored. So I'm right in the middle, just like two-thirds of the rest of Americans on this. Mine isn't a left or right position based on any one leftist website or talking head.

I have a real problem, however, with the continued yammering from the ideological point of view: SOCIALISM!!! EGADS!!! Done correctly, any government-sponsored health care program does NOT mean the beginning of an era of Stalin-esque Socialism/Communism, or even a carbon copy of the British system.

I was amused listening to C-Span's Washington Journal this morning, once again dealing with the health care issue, only this time the moderator asked a specific question of the callers: How do you currently pay for your health care? The hommina hommina hommina comments from some of the Republican callers preceded the fact that, um, I get mine through Medicare/Medicaid. Surprise surprise. Yet they're against coverage for those who don't qualify for either because it will lead to Socialism? Interesting.