Do Americans favor the creation of a public health insurance?

like i have said many times before....he is the 3rd McKenzie brother....

and you do notice how he stays away from the conversation when he cant back nothing up.....the jerks a fraud....an embarrassment to Canada....

Hey Harry. Have you been paying attention to the single payer/public option debate? No chance you obstructionists are going to stop it. All the myths you guys keep putting out there. I think you believe what you are saying. You just don't know you are being lied to. Every reason why we can't or shouldn't is bullshit.

The latest cry from the private insurers is laughable. They say a public plan will put them out of business. How is it that a government run program is going to put them out of business? They say they provide the best for the least. If that's true, they should have nothing to worry about. I just find it funny that they slam government run this and government run that and the fact is, they have a monopoly and are ripping us off. And you're swallowing it. Wake up Harry.

There were 10 blue dog democrats that were obstructing progress, and now there is 9. LOL. We're going to get this done harry. And you can keep your expensive shit. I'll go with the public plan. And when the private companies deny you care or you can't afford them anymore, you can join too. Your choice. Isn't that what you want? More competition and choices?

That's the thing about us Democrats. We'll fix this for you weather you want us to or not. I wish we could ban you from participating. Co-ops my ass.

Here are the 9 traitors. Soon they will fall though. We're flooding their phone lines. 72% want this Harry. Trust me, you are either making money off the private healthcare scam or you are stupid.

These Democratic Senators are against it:
Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)

Senator Tom Carper (D-DE)

Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA)

Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR)

Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA)

Senator Kay Hagan (D-NC)

Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND)

Senator Max Baucus (D-MT)

Let's see the actual plan first before we jump to the conclusion whether or not the government will put private insurers out of business.

As I said earlier, the plan as proposed by President Obama would put them out of business. However, that is not a final plan nor is it actually in the works. Also, I was concerned that medical professionals and those who desire to enter the field would be discouraged from practicing the trade at reduced wages. I didn't hear the President's speech yesterday. I'm willing to wait and see.

I'm against anything that will eliminate competition. But, I'd rather hear the plan and debate from there.

Immie

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The key issue is whether or not a public plan would receive government subsidies not available to private plans so that it could charge artificially low rates and drive private insurers out of business. If the law were written so that the public plan could not receive such subsidies, there would be little opposition to it, and fact that Obama, Dodd, Pelosi, etc. have consistently refused to give that assurance tells us that they do not believe a public plan could provide healthcare more efficiently or less expensively than private plans now do, and when they talk about introducing competition into the market, they are lying.

Oh, so you want another private industry to be given government help? Sounds like Socialism.

Heh, I can hardly wait until you are an old man in dire need of bypass surgery but Big Brother deems you too old for it or puts you on a loooong waiting list because there are too many others younger that "deserve" it before you (shortage of heart surgeons ya know).....you'll be looking for a private entity then.....probably on the black market.....hahaha

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“Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism”~Lenin

No his plan wouldn't put private insurers out of business. It would reduce their profits though.

Medical professionals want single payer. I've heard some say that if it worked, they'd prefer it, even if it meant they might make a little less. Less headaches. That was the reason for profit insurance companies came to be in the first place. Doctors wanted to practice medicine and not run a business. But the insurers mucked up the process and are now costing the doctors and the patients too much.

And it will increase competition. The private insurers have a basic monopoly now.

At first the public plan will get government money, and then after that it will be funded by premiums.

All the for profits have to do is lower their costs and start being competitive. There goes that company jet.

And instead of a $20 million bonus, they'll only get $1 million dollar bonus'. Boo Hoo!!

I can't remember the details, but there was this doctor in charge of a hospital or in charge of a insurance company and his pay was so outragous you wouldn't believe it. I wish I could find the story. But that is why healthcare is out of control.

I remember a few years ago people on the right tried to tell me that CEO/Executive pay was a drop in the bucket. I always knew that was a lie but never had proof. Now we know.

Just the CEO alone. If he/she makes $20 million dollars, that's 400 people making $50K a year.

And look at how much CEO pay is now compared to years ago. Funny they get cost of living raises and raises to help with inflation but we don't?

In 2005 CEO's made 300 times more than their workers. Today 431 to one. Fuck anyone who says a line worker isn't worth $35 hr.

In the old days they made 40 times more than the average worker.

Again, fuck anyone who can justify this and not want to pay a line worker $35 hr.

Yea, we've heard this already from you fear mongerers.

And I hope you lose your job and get a pre existing condition and it ruins the rest of your fucking life you asshole. Fuck you!!!

Both Obama and the Congressional Dems have refused to rule out subsidies to a public plan that would not be available to private plans, and it is this fear that government subsidies would allow a public plan to charge artificially lower premiums to drive private plans out of business in order to usher in a government monopoly on health insurance. Without the additional subsidies, a public plan would essentially be a non profit insurance companies, and non profit insurance companies have not fared all that well against for profit insurance companies.

Touchy, aren't we? I guess one gets that way when one considers what will actually happen down the line with socialized health care....as one can easily see happening in other countries that tried/are trying it...

and I totally agree that depending on your employer (another middleman) for your insurance is just plain stupid....and also hampers one's freedom.....I think every citizen should get their own individual major medical insurance policy plan that they pay for directly to the insurance company....not through one's employer....it shouldn't cost any more than what you pay for auto insurance....somehow people still manage to drive insured cars when they lose their jobs....and I am all for medical savings accounts like what Bush proposed....

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"You can take from A and give to B if B pays more taxes?"
~Justice Antonin Scalia on Kelo v. New London

"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: The stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission – which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." ~Ayn Rand

“Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism”~Lenin

WRONG! Obama doesn't want to drive private plans out of business and he doesn't want to run GM.

BULLSHIT!

And subsodies are my best friend if they will drive down costs. Do you want me to cry for the insurance companies? Not gonna happen.

So tell me, why have non profits not done well against for profits? Did the big boys run them out of business? Please explain and prove that statement. You must have links.

All your arguments would have had some merit a few years ago, but we are all way to informed to be bullshitted. For profits jacked their rates up 191% since 2001. Unacceptable, whether you want to admit it or not.

Just like you guys didn't believe gas at $4 was because of deregulations/speculation and gouging. Even when they had record profits, that wasn't enough. FACT, if it was simply s&d, their profits wouldn't have gone up at all. They would have only increased the prices as much as the cost went up.

NEXT!

No, actually we're finding out that you fearmongers are exxagerating. AND, the pre existing condition thing is happening here in America, no exxageration.

Talk about rationing healthcare.

So $2000 a year roughly for medical insurance? Now thats reasonable. How will it work? The for profits will take a huge hit. Explain how we will get it so cheap? But it sounds ok to me so far.

As I said, what I have read (produced by the administration) had language that specifically forbade private insurers from offering any services that competed with the public plan. That right there would drive private health insurance out of business. That right there would be a disaster.

I, too, have seen reports from different medical associations that said that medical professionals would prefer the single payer plan. That may be the case... then again, they may get what they think they want only to find out that they are screwed and it is too late to do anything about it.


Not if private insurers are forbidden to offer services.

Really? Do you have any idea how many private insurers are out there? A monopoly would be something like AT&T used to be for phone services or Microsoft is today or what the President described as his idea for this plan i.e. the only game in town. I can go to any number of insurance companies and seek the most favorable plans right now, under the "plan" that possibility would be cut to one insurer and only one and I would be forced to take what ever they offer.

Oh and they will be able to raise the rates as high as they want to without anyone being able to do a damned thing about it as well as tax you just like they do Social Security to increase their profits and we won't be able to do a damned thing to stop them. Your only option will be to just grin and bare it.

Immie

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