Americans Will Suffer Under New Obamacare Mandates

"The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it."

explain this exactly? are you angry because people get free health care? if this is the case why shouldnt they be forced to pay into the system?

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"IRS says it will soon need 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce ObamaCare"
and the evidence is.. USA NEWS: The Internal Revenue Service says it will need an battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers. - Good math there
- American Cowboy

No dummy, I'm saying that health care through an HMO or a PPO is a "subscription," just like a gym - it is not "insurance."
- Uncensored2008
heres to all those Health "Subscription" Plans!

"Faith is the evidence of things not seen. When it's dark at night, does the sun cease to exist?"
- Jack Fate

Im not angry about anything.
But the fact is that we have a largely 3rd party payer system here, whether that party is Medicare, Medicaid, Blue Cross etc. That encourages people to use medical services indiscriminately because someone else is picking up the tab.
The uninsured is a very small part of the problem. Most people going to the ER have insurance.

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so what is your solution? single payer?

the model i think that should be followed (if not single payer) is the kaiser model. as they are a non profit and both sell insurance as well as own and operate their own hospitals and HC facilities. thus everything is under one roof.

the uninsured are a huge problem, the only consume services, but do not pay into the system. dont you think they should have to pay into the system?

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/uninsured-us-citizens/

the uninsured make up rough% of the general population and are typically well under the poverty level. (based on a population estimate of 307 million - i googled it)

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"IRS says it will soon need 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce ObamaCare"
and the evidence is.. USA NEWS: The Internal Revenue Service says it will need an battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers. - Good math there
- American Cowboy

No dummy, I'm saying that health care through an HMO or a PPO is a "subscription," just like a gym - it is not "insurance."
- Uncensored2008
heres to all those Health "Subscription" Plans!

"Faith is the evidence of things not seen. When it's dark at night, does the sun cease to exist?"
- Jack Fate

Look at the cost of Medicare and Medicaid 817 Billion
Doctor's are not taking any new patients who are on Medicare, because they can't afford it. It has a cap on what they will get paid for services.
You have any idea how long you are going to have to wait to get an appointment?
Try at least 3 to 5 months.
Premiums are still going up.
The cost to state governments and companies.
Why do you think the majority of Americans have never wanted government Health care.
Ever since Teddy Roosevelt to today the majority has not wanted it.

End corporate deductibility of insurance premiums. Lower tax rates so people can shop for their own insurance. Allow insurance to be sold across state lines. Tort reform.
Generally the theme should be to push as much responsibility on the individual as possible. This way people make their own decisions, which usually end up costing less.

The uninsured are not that big a factor in health care costs. They are a factor, but there are otehr much bigger ones.

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Medicare and Medicaid were not created under the new health care law, if you dont like those programs they need to be repealed separately.

premiums increased 100% from 2000-2009 before this new law was even signed. how is this the new laws fault?

explain to me again what exact part of the new health care law you dont like, because all are see are opinions on "possible affects" or "existing problems"

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"IRS says it will soon need 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce ObamaCare"
and the evidence is.. USA NEWS: The Internal Revenue Service says it will need an battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers. - Good math there
- American Cowboy

No dummy, I'm saying that health care through an HMO or a PPO is a "subscription," just like a gym - it is not "insurance."
- Uncensored2008
heres to all those Health "Subscription" Plans!

"Faith is the evidence of things not seen. When it's dark at night, does the sun cease to exist?"
- Jack Fate

Under the new Health Care plan Seniors will start going to emergency rooms, because Dr's are refusing to take new patients under Medicare. They can't afford it.
We got a whole lot of babyboomers going on medicare. So that means a whole lot are going to go the emergency rooms.
Where else will they go if they can't get a regular Dr. to see them.

You're drooling cretin, wipe your chin..

Like you pay "premiums" for a gym membership?

Again, healthcare is provided with the assumption that all will utilize the service. Insurance assumes that very few will file a claim.

You're not just wrong here, you're utterly fucking stupid.

So coverage payments don't cover the cost of "check ups, vaccination, physicals, etc," but we assume ALL will utilize these - but we will take from the excess of others to cover them...

Are you sure you've thought this through?

Seriously dude, can't you see how abysmally stupid your claim is? I know you love and serve your party - but....

Well thanks for not disputing the path the Easter Bunny takes when dropping off eggs...

(Could you be anymore fucking irrelevant?)

I believe Santa Clara is generally cited as precedent for ruling the compulsion to purchase goods violates the 14th amendment equal protection clause.

Again, you're full of shit.

In California, you must be able to cover $50,000 in personal injury and an additional $35,000 in property damage. Tennessee requires $100,000 in bond or escrow, or insurance to cover the same.

Each state is free to set their own laws regarding financial responsibility.

What is a "financial responsibility" law?


{The report shows health care costs and premiums continuing to rise—and uncertainty increasing for employers who offer insurance to their workers. Health care spending increased by 7.5 percent in 2010 and will grow by 8 percent this year. In 2012, it will rise again by 8.5 percent. This is exactly the opposite of the President’s promise that his health care plan would reduce premiums by $2,500 per person.}

New Study Shows Higher Health Care Costs under Obamacare | The Foundry


"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Try again, sparky.

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isnt ending a corporate tax credit for providing HC the same as increasing taxes on corporation? i though the right was all for lowering the tax liability of the corporations so they can "create more jobs?"

Per the new health care law, you can now take your health insurance across state lines (thanks for agreeing with the new law finally)

so the tax credits in the new health care law to help pay for premiums are a good things?
(thanks for agreeing again)

so what is your solution to pay for the people consume health care but dont pay into the system? you still havent answered this question.....


the uninsured cost the US health care system over $125 billion annually (best i could find was a 2004 article from Kaiser - http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/...l-Spending.pdf)

thats not a small number, but its a number that is still passed on the rest of us.

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"IRS says it will soon need 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce ObamaCare"
and the evidence is.. USA NEWS: The Internal Revenue Service says it will need an battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers. - Good math there
- American Cowboy

No dummy, I'm saying that health care through an HMO or a PPO is a "subscription," just like a gym - it is not "insurance."
- Uncensored2008
heres to all those Health "Subscription" Plans!

"Faith is the evidence of things not seen. When it's dark at night, does the sun cease to exist?"
- Jack Fate

you should really stop trying to claim the Foundry is a legitimate source.

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"IRS says it will soon need 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce ObamaCare"
and the evidence is.. USA NEWS: The Internal Revenue Service says it will need an battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers. - Good math there
- American Cowboy

No dummy, I'm saying that health care through an HMO or a PPO is a "subscription," just like a gym - it is not "insurance."
- Uncensored2008
heres to all those Health "Subscription" Plans!

"Faith is the evidence of things not seen. When it's dark at night, does the sun cease to exist?"
- Jack Fate

Single payer is the goal of Obamacare.

Single Payer Coming Under Obamacare - HUMAN EVENTS

And single payer simply doesn't work.

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You obviously missed the part about lowering tax rates.
So the health care law allows you to buy insurance across state lines?? What section is that in?

How is another gov't subsidy a good thing? When did I say it was?

Making health care cheaper will allow more people to pay for it. Obamacare was initially touted as a fix for the uninsured. In fact their own figures show a very minor change. In MA they found people who were uninsured suddenly became insured after they got sick. How shifting the burden of people who cannot pay from one entity to another is going to help is a mystery to me.

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PPACA Section 1333 requires the parent department of CMS, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), to issue regulations governing the creation of “health care choice” compacts by July 1, 2013.
Starting Jan. 1, 2016, two or more states will be able to use a compact to allow qualified health plans based in the participating states to sell health insurance in all participating states.

you said you want to eliminate the tax breaks corporations gets for providing HC to its employees, how does that lower taxes?

how do you suggest we made health care costs decrease? i still havent heard an answer.

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"IRS says it will soon need 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce ObamaCare"
and the evidence is.. USA NEWS: The Internal Revenue Service says it will need an battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers. - Good math there
- American Cowboy

No dummy, I'm saying that health care through an HMO or a PPO is a "subscription," just like a gym - it is not "insurance."
- Uncensored2008
heres to all those Health "Subscription" Plans!

"Faith is the evidence of things not seen. When it's dark at night, does the sun cease to exist?"
- Jack Fate