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02-22-2009, 07:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by michiganFats  Xsited, I actually did a little bit of reading on this today. IMHO the premise of the article in the OP is flawed. I didn't find any evidence to suggest that higher estrogen levels in males result in homosexual behavior. I did find some evidence that higher estrogen levels in males results in a fabulous head of hair. Thank you. 
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Eventually. There might even come a day when a doctor can say to parents, "there is an 89% chance that your unborn son will become gay unless we do something about it now. How would you like to proceed?"
Proceed? I guess I would precede by trying to have the doctors medical license yanked since the sexual orientation of children does not fall in his/her domain... Really? Doctors have been making those kinds of calls for a long time. Choosing the gender identity when a child is born with male and female genitalia.
That's one reason for transgendered folks. Sometimes the parents and the doctors made the wrong call.
....The child was more wired internally to be one gender or the other--regardless. Isn't this what we are talking about and not a coin toss between a penis or vagina? Any doctor who will screw with a child's psychological wiring simply to placate irrational fear of others shouldn't be licensed.  |
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Proceed? I guess I would precede by trying to have the doctors medical license yanked since the sexual orientation of children does not fall in his/her domain...
Really? Doctors have been making those kinds of calls for a long time. Choosing the gender identity when a child is born with male and female genitalia.
That's one reason for transgendered folks. Sometimes the parents and the doctors made the wrong call.
....The child was more wired internally to be one gender or the other--regardless. Isn't this what we are talking about and not a coin toss between a penis or vagina? Any doctor who will screw with a child's psychological wiring simply to placate irrational fear of others shouldn't be licensed.
Well they are licensed and they have made these choices and it has increased suffering for the individual whose gender was decided by others.
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Really? Doctors have been making those kinds of calls for a long time. Choosing the gender identity when a child is born with male and female genitalia.
That's one reason for transgendered folks. Sometimes the parents and the doctors made the wrong call.
....The child was more wired internally to be one gender or the other--regardless.
Isn't this what we are talking about and not a coin toss between a penis or vagina? Any doctor who will screw with a child's psychological wiring simply to placate irrational fear of others shouldn't be licensed. Well they are licensed and they have made these choices and it has increased suffering for the individual whose gender was decided by others. This only reinforces my point. Gender manipulation isn't the providence of a doctor. In fact we aren't even talking about a health issue... |
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Quote: Originally Posted by PeterS
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Isn't this what we are talking about and not a coin toss between a penis or vagina? Any doctor who will screw with a child's psychological wiring simply to placate irrational fear of others shouldn't be licensed.
Well they are licensed and they have made these choices and it has increased suffering for the individual whose gender was decided by others. This only reinforces my point. Gender manipulation isn't the providence of a doctor. In fact we aren't even talking about a health issue... I agree. Unfortunately, gender assignment is in the hands of doctors.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sky Dancer And the parents will say, we wouldn't change a thing about our baby. We'll love him as he is, thank you. Some might say that, others might decide that it's an unnecessary hardship given how many in society feel about homosexuality. Myself, I would have a hard time making that call. I don't think I would have any trouble loving my child regardless of sexual orientation, but I do realize that they would face challenges a straight person wouldn't have to face, so why make life harder on them. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sky Dancer And the parents will say, we wouldn't change a thing about our baby. We'll love him as he is, thank you. Some might say that, others might decide that it's an unnecessary hardship given how many in society feel about homosexuality. Myself, I would have a hard time making that call. I don't think I would have any trouble loving my child regardless of sexual orientation, but I do realize that they would face challenges a straight person wouldn't have to face, so why make life harder on them. Who cares about their sex----we just need hard workers to pay off the debt. 
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Yeah, that's why the title of the WND article is "Soy makes you gay".
Everyone knows WND is biased. That's not the question. And the title is obviously misleading. However, I was intrigued by the scientific data presented. Too often scientific studies are simply not allowed or go unpublished because of political correctness. I don't want to see PC Dogma stifle advancements in Science anymore than Religious beliefs. Quite seriously, if when they are published they are prefaced with a lie, why would anyone bother to believe them? You're really saying that WND is the only media that has misleading headlines?
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Quote: Originally Posted by michiganFats Did my use of the word "fabulous" tip it off? I have a colleague who likes to use the word 'Fabulous' a lot. (She's a she, btw.) Consequently, I use the word probably more than I should. Birthday cards would make the rounds and I would write 'Have a Fabulous Birthday!' One time there was a death in her family and I mistook the sympathy card for a birthday card. I simply wrote 'Fabulous!' and my name. Fortunately I was able to catch it before it got to her.  |
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Quote: Originally Posted by michiganFats Did my use of the word "fabulous" tip it off? just a whisker. |
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Rep Power: 0 | | | BTW, I wasn't kidding about reading on this subject. Apparently there is a relationship between estrogen/testosterone levels and hair loss. High testosterone levels are common among bald men. The inverse is true among guys with a full head of hair. There are many studies on this available on the web. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by michiganFats BTW, I wasn't kidding about reading on this subject. Apparently there is a relationship between estrogen/testosterone levels and hair loss. High testosterone levels are common among bald men. The inverse is true among guys with a full head of hair. There are many studies on this available on the web. Nope, BS. Fail. LOL.
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