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The empiricist will change his opinion in light of contrary evidence. The ideologue will retain his opinion despite contrary evidence.

Interesting, but how do they know that the brain changes don't occur after a period of time practicing gayness (sorry for the awkward phrasing, caffeine hasn't kicked in). I'd think they'd have to image the brains of fetuses and compare them in later life to consider this "proof." Also, why didn't they also study bisexual people?

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Some people are so obvious born gay that I marvel that this debate continues to interest people.

It takes a particularly vile kind of stupid to think that people CHOOSE to be attracted to the opposite sex OR to the same sex.

Those of us who are hetero...can any of us recall when we DECIDED to find the opposite gender attractive?

Or did we just find that attraction for the opposite sex manifesting in us one day?

If the latter, then why on earth would any of us think that gay people CHOOSE to be gay?

I mean, how fucking stupid and hateful must one be to imagine that other people choose their sexual preferences?

We didn't choose but we demand that others must choose?

Homosexuality is a normal subset of the human sexual condition. Always was, always will be.

Debating this issue with the nitwits who think otherwise is a waste of time.

They're not motivated by a desire to know the truth, they're motivated by the desire to feel morally superior to others.

This isn't obvious?

Given that it might be genetic/physiological I wonder what the evolutionary purpose is (if any)?

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I've seen the wild horses, I've heard the bull roarers

Careful now, you may stub some believers toes with talk like that. Those that worship the white smock will not be amused.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Evolution has no purpose.

Evolution merely has outcomes which work out (or not) in the long run.

It gives the right something to occupy their minds with.

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It's an interesting observation... but now they'll have to sell it to the scientific community, instead of just throwing it out there to an ignorant public who'll buy it as fact.

It's just another homo agenda stunt.

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I think that the constant presence of homosexuality among cultures of varying acceptance, proves that homosexuality is nature rather than nurture. We might as well be debating if southpaws are products of genetics or learned behaviour. There was a time when lefties were considered less than righties too. Yet, despite the social pressures to write with the right hand, we still have a variant sample of lefties rife in our population.

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He's like a maniac with a shotgun that doesn't run out of ammo.

So you don't Dick Cheney's method of raising his children is responsible for his lesbian daughter?

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Might have been... how would we know?

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not at all. in fact, one might just find the irony in his politics and his offspring prove my point.



to paraphrase John Kerry, "Lynn Cheney likes eating pussy like I do.."

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He's like a maniac with a shotgun that doesn't run out of ammo.

Yep. I was being sarcastic, btw.

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From a policy standpoint, why does it matter whether gayness is genetic?

Can any of us really imagine a world without flaming gay men, or hyper-mascualine gay men, either?

In the first case, who would style our hair or design our women's clothing?

In the second, who would coach our young athletes or become eagle scouts?

If there were no gays in the world it would be a far less interesting place, folks.