Can anyone make an argument that invading Iraq was ok but the Russian war against Georgia is wrong? Seeing Bush up there condemning Russia just made my eyes roll

terrorists. freedom. liberty. 9/11.

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I can...two wrong don't make a right?

Lame, but true!

Should we probably accept Georgia into the NATO alliance and possibly send troops for 'support'? I would not be against such a thing. Would be be justified? Yes indeed... but the situation is not nearly the same as Iraq (and no, idiot, Iraq was not about oil no matter how much you keep chanting that bogus slogan)...

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lol You continue to outdo your own stupidity

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Not very difficult.

We took out a tyrant who routinely threatened his neighbors around him.

Russia is taking out a Democratic government protecting their own sovereign territory.

We went into Iraq to provide them with the right to govern themselves.

Russia is going in so they control Georgia.

The contrast is actually quite obvious.

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Where's the oil we are taking out of Iraq? Where's it at? You would figure with all the oil we are supposedly stealing from the country of Iraq, that we took over because of their oil, we would have some tiny piece of evidence to support this..


We'll be waiting....

Your belief of liberal slogans shows your stupidity

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So we are just the good guys spreading happiness and they are evil spreading badness!

I get it now! I'll just keep telling myself, We are good, they are bad, we are good they are bad, we are good they are bad.............

yeah, we went in hoping saddam would have a big stack of oil barrels, just sitting there, ready for us to take back to the US.

did you maybe consider the fact that our govt wanted to have a friendly, stable ally in the region with big oil reserves who would also allow us to have bases between iran and the rest of the ME? youre looking at it in a very narrow way

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“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other” Oscar Ameringer

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." James Madison

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/wo...st/19iraq.html

Rivals Say Halliburton Dominates Iraq Oil Work

Papers Show Expanded Halliburton Iraq Role - New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/wo...se&oref=slogin

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Ahhh... the NY times bashing Haliburton... who woulda thunk it

Yet with those stories on Haliburton being contracted to help rebuild the Iraqi oil infrastructure... I still did not see where we are taking all this oil from Iraq.... you know... the basis behind the whole 'no blood for oil' argument

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It sure did have a lot to do with securing the petrodollar. Obviously it wasn't about "stealing oil", so to speak, but we had a huge economic interest in changing the regime.

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I suppose you could just look at the surface and be obtuse if you want to. I'm not sure that really gets your understanding very far or helps shed light on the issues involved.

You have to go back from the events of the last week a good long while and look at the area (Russia, Georgia and the disputed breakaway territories of Georgia). You need to look at the policies of the Georgia and Russia toward those territories and what those territories represent to each country. You also need to look at the people in charge that includes a power hungry Putin that is subverting his own country's Constitution by remaining in power by deception. His policies toward his neighbors and Russia's actions in the last 4-5 years.

Putin, the evidence is fairly clear, has poisoned leaders in neighboring countries, murdered dissidents (remember the guy in the UK?), suppress dissent in in Russia, slapped controls on the press, rebuilt his military, fought a series of bloody running wars very quietly in his own country and now capped it off with military adventurism in Georgia. This is merely the most recent incident of a long pattern from Putin.

In Georgia in particular, ever since the civil war in Georgia, Russia has been attempting to undermine Georgia and reintegrate South Ossetia. They have issued Russian passports to the population and provided Russian social programs to them. The location of South Ossetia makes this a more grievous problem than it might otherwise be.

It would be like Ontario breaking away and getting support from the US. Then, when Canada decided that was a problem for them, the US overruns the entire country of Canada.

With that explanation, what about that sounds like Iraq to you? I think you are trying to compare apples and airplane tires.

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i don't think anyone is in favor of russia invading georgia.

the question is why is it ok for georgia to invade south ossetia.

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Was it right for Union troops to invade Virginia in 1861?

The point is that South Ossetia is part of the country of Georgia. If there is no right for a country to preserve its union, then the invasion of the Confederate States of America, by the United States of America was an illegitimate war.

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