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08-02-2008, 08:56 AM
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08-02-2008, 09:01 AM
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08-02-2008, 12:29 PM
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08-02-2008, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mattskramer Should we give America back to the great grandchildren of those where were in America before the Europeans arrived? | Define "those." The Native American Europeans encountered were not the first people on this land.
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08-02-2008, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunny Define "those." The Native American Europeans encountered were not the first people on this land. | LOL, I so love the " I was here first " law of land ownership. Mature and so precise. 
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08-02-2008, 09:49 PM
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Unraveling it isn't usually possible.
Best we can do is try to mitigate the negative outcomes for the prgeny of its victims. | 
08-03-2008, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dilloduck LOL, I so love the " I was here first " law of land ownership. Mature and so precise.  | Yes, the "I have more and bigger guns" law is much more mature. Move over!
On another note... Gypsies = Egypt? WTF?
Last note: ^ Agreed with Editec.
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08-03-2008, 08:26 AM
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08-03-2008, 08:47 AM
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Rep Power: 43 | | | Regards the Gypie/Egyptian myth, blame the Parisians of the 19th (or was it 18th?) century.
When the Romany first started settling in Paris, their colorful garb was mistaken as being Egyptian...hence the name.
FWIW, the fact that the word Bohemian now generally means artistic types also started in Paris.
Apparently when Bohemians (fleeing some disaster or the other in great numbers) went to Paris, they found digs in the poorer quarters.
Starving artists at that time shared those neighborhoods.
Eventually the connection between Bohemianism and the artistic life of poverty became part of the vocab. | 
08-03-2008, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Epsilon Delta Yes, the "I have more and bigger guns" law is much more mature. Move over!
On another note... Gypsies = Egypt? WTF?
Last note: ^ Agreed with Editec. | And your suggestion to the problem of who has a right to live in and rule an area of land is ----?
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"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
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08-03-2008, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunny Define "those." The Native American Europeans encountered were not the first people on this land. | Perhaps, but two wrongs don't make a right.
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08-03-2008, 11:34 PM
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08-04-2008, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mattskramer Perhaps, but two wrongs don't make a right. |
Try to recapture water that has already passed under the bridge is a pointless endeavor. Assess what has happened, learn from it, and move on.
The entire Earth has been populated by conquest. Only now that we have a subculture of the weak, well-protected in their hideouts running their gums do we people calling for "give back such-n-such to so-n-so."
When the shit hits the fan and the society that protects them crumbles, those wannabe intellectual wimps will be the first to fall and their unrealistic, utopian arguments with them.
Bottom line: the weak are only as strong as the society that protects them. The strong shall survive with or without society.
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08-04-2008, 07:03 AM
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08-04-2008, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunny Try to recapture water that has already passed under the bridge is a pointless endeavor. Assess what has happened, learn from it, and move on.
The entire Earth has been populated by conquest. Only now that we have a subculture of the weak, well-protected in their hideouts running their gums do we people calling for "give back such-n-such to so-n-so."
When the shit hits the fan and the society that protects them crumbles, those wannabe intellectual wimps will be the first to fall and their unrealistic, utopian arguments with them.
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