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| After reading the train wreck that is the Bristol Palin thread and her being a spokesperson for teen motherhood, it made me wonder...... Wouldn't it have been better if they chose a teen that gave her baby up for adoption? Now I know Bristol Palin has a lot of family support and money to help her care for her child, but most teens don't. So......................... Seems to me a girl who is in her teens and not ready to take up the responsibility of teen motherhood and doesn't want to abort her baby would consider giving up her baby for adoption. There are many families out there waiting to be parents. I know first hand, my brother and his wife adopted 2 children because my SIL had Lupus and couldn't have children. One of my best friends adopted a boy a few years ago and has been on the waiting list for another child. What do you think? There are more than enough children needing homes in fostercare and in orphanages to satify everyone who wants to adopt children. No one is waiting to adopt children per se. What they are waiting for are lily white newborns to adopt. My white friend Sara and her white hubby adopted 2 black boys. My friend Ann ( a single mom fyi) adopted a little girl from China. Another teacher I work with has adopted 3 interracial children. And I see a lot of Asian babies with white parents at the YMCA. So far I haven't seen many minority parents with white babies though.................wonder who could be the spokesperson for them? ![]() PS-When I first read your post I thought it was by AgainShelia!~ |
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| And exactly what is the truth ? Teen mothers run the entire gamut from worthless to great. Do you really think they are all planning to be on DWTS ? In reality a teen mom is probably never going to be rich, her kids father isn't going to be in Playgirl, and she wont be rewarded for acting like a brat. When they wanted to scare teens about meth us here they didn't get some glamorous celebrity who had done meth. They put some white trash meth heads picture on the campaign, with meth bites and all. That is reality. Being poor, living pay check to pay check with a kid's father who doesn't contribute or is a loser is reality. Everybody has witnessed the battering Bristol has been subjected to. She's been the butt of late night talk show jokes, a running punchline for comedians, she's been called disgusting names; her baby daddy has shit all over her publicly. Being a single parent is tough regardless of whether or not you have money. There are plenty of girls who might have a harder time of it financially, but none that are so well known...
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| After reading the train wreck that is the Bristol Palin thread and her being a spokesperson for teen motherhood, it made me wonder...... Wouldn't it have been better if they chose a teen that gave her baby up for adoption? Now I know Bristol Palin has a lot of family support and money to help her care for her child, but most teens don't. So......................... Seems to me a girl who is in her teens and not ready to take up the responsibility of teen motherhood and doesn't want to abort her baby would consider giving up her baby for adoption. There are many families out there waiting to be parents. I know first hand, my brother and his wife adopted 2 children because my SIL had Lupus and couldn't have children. One of my best friends adopted a boy a few years ago and has been on the waiting list for another child. What do you think? There are more than enough children needing homes in fostercare and in orphanages to satify everyone who wants to adopt children. No one is waiting to adopt children per se. What they are waiting for are lily white newborns to adopt. My white friend Sara and her white hubby adopted 2 black boys. My friend Ann ( a single mom fyi) adopted a little girl from China. Another teacher I work with has adopted 3 interracial children. And I see a lot of Asian babies with white parents at the YMCA. So far I haven't seen many minority parents with white babies though.................wonder who could be the spokesperson for them? ![]() I have a black friend who has a white foster child. One day he took off on her at the mall so she had to report him as a runaway, as she is required to do. When she described him to the cop who responded to her call he asked her what the hell a white kid was doing living in a black neighborhood. |
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| I just don't see Bristol Palin being a spokesperson for this issue as a big deal. I think that the people who are making it into one are doing so because they dislike Sarah Palin and her entire bizarre clan. Most people in the really real world (and by that I mean the majority of people in the U.S. who do not give two shits about politics, politicians, politicians' kids, and the like)...simply. don't. care. We've got single young Hollywood stars getting pregnant or adopting kids on their own, having babies out of wedlock and then breaking up with their boyfriends, having twins in their 40s with no regard as to what its going to be like to be in their 50's when their kiddos are 10, stars having 6 kids and traipsing around to 3rd world nations with the toddlers...and all of that is just great...mention that they might not be the best role models on earth and you get slammed as a right wing pig who should mind their own closeted conservative bigoted-christian business... But a girl no one really cares about (because seriously, only people heavily interested in politics give two shits about Bristol Palin...to everyone else shes just some girl related to some politician they either kinda like or kinda hate) with a rich, supportive family has a kid by an idiot guy and is making money telling young girls that its not all that much fun after all and that they should wait....and she's the bad guy?!? Seriously? I think we should all chill the fuck out about this sort of issue...its not even an issue...its people who hate Sarah Palin looking for ANY reason to keep talking about this ridiculous family. If you hate them so much, Democrats and Liberals...PLEASE do what the majority of the rest of us are trying to do...ignore them...and they will go away!
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| Thank you for that insight Gem! Now, what do you think about teen moms giving their babies up for adoption. Do you feel that would be a good alternative to abortion or trying to raise the child with the handicap of their age and limited resources?? |
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| Quote: Now, what do you think about teen moms giving their babies up for adoption. Do you feel that would be a good alternative to abortion or trying to raise the child with the handicap of their age and limited resources?? I just don't think that one more teen mother saying, "Hey...its REALLY HARD...and you shouldn't do it," is better than nothing...better than a movie star saying, "I'm having a baby...I don't need a partner...I'm gonna do it on my own." And then promptly hiring a live-in nanny. Is Bristol Palin the role model I would have chosen for teen pregnancy? No. I dislike the Palin family and find them bizarre and vaguely creepy. But this hysteria of Bristol Palin is silliness...and, in my opinion, politically motivated rather than based on any authentic concern that teens turn to adoption rather than abortion or raising babies on their own.
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| I think it's a terrible idea to present someone their child as a role model to teens who goes through with a pregnancy knowing full well they intend to abbandon. There are more than enough children needing homes in fostercare and in orphanages to satify everyone who wants to adopt children. No one is waiting to adopt children per se. What they are waiting for are lily white newborns to adopt. My white friend Sara and her white hubby adopted 2 black boys. My friend Ann ( a single mom fyi) adopted a little girl from China. Another teacher I work with has adopted 3 interracial children. And I see a lot of Asian babies with white parents at the YMCA. So far I haven't seen many minority parents with white babies though.................wonder who could be the spokesperson for them? ![]() I have a black friend who has a white foster child. One day he took off on her at the mall so she had to report him as a runaway, as she is required to do. When she described him to the cop who responded to her call he asked her what the hell a white kid was doing living in a black neighborhood. That is not a directive, so try to restrain yourself.
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| Not sure if this is true, I heard that if you are pre-planning to give the baby up for adoption, then at birth they don't even let the mom see the baby. The doctors just take the baby out of the room right away so that there's not time for as much of an emotional bond to form. That's pretty gut-wrenching. But I think just generally that's probably what's best for the kid. You don't want the baby crying at night because little dude's got an empty stomach and you can't do ANYthing about that because you have NO money until the paycheck deposits in two days, so all you can do is hear your kid cry in hunger and think how terrible a parent you are because you can't provide even the basic thing. That's got to be even more gut-wrenching. |
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| As far as Bristol goes, it's a double edge sword. She's got the name recognition and that helps to raise awareness about the charity. But at the same time, because of the money that this same name has brought in, she's not coming from a place of real understanding about what it's like to be just the average teen mom. She is not a good example; she's just a visible one. |
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| In reality a teen mom is probably never going to be rich, her kids father isn't going to be in Playgirl, and she wont be rewarded for acting like a brat. When they wanted to scare teens about meth us here they didn't get some glamorous celebrity who had done meth. They put some white trash meth heads picture on the campaign, with meth bites and all. That is reality. Being poor, living pay check to pay check with a kid's father who doesn't contribute or is a loser is reality. Everybody has witnessed the battering Bristol has been subjected to. She's been the butt of late night talk show jokes, a running punchline for comedians, she's been called disgusting names; her baby daddy has shit all over her publicly. Being a single parent is tough regardless of whether or not you have money. There are plenty of girls who might have a harder time of it financially, but none that are so well known... I still bad for her child, he has to deal with the fact his father is a total dbag who has the brain power of a fly.
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| Not sure if this is true, I heard that if you are pre-planning to give the baby up for adoption, then at birth they don't even let the mom see the baby. The doctors just take the baby out of the room right away so that there's not time for as much of an emotional bond to form. That's pretty gut-wrenching. But I think just generally that's probably what's best for the kid. You don't want the baby crying at night because little dude's got an empty stomach and you can't do ANYthing about that because you have NO money until the paycheck deposits in two days, so all you can do is hear your kid cry in hunger and think how terrible a parent you are because you can't provide even the basic thing. That's got to be even more gut-wrenching.
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| Simpy put, the organization that hired her are idiots and have no clue what the fuck they are doing. How could they? Didnt they THINK about who they asked to be spokesperson before choosing Bristol? Obviously not. Which means, in my opinion, they arent very smart. |
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| In answer to the OPs question...yeah. IF the child that is now a mother wishes to do so. Or for ANY woman that wishes to do so. Those that do that have the ultimate heart, because they are thinking more of the baby than they are thinking of themselves. Isnt that how it should be? |
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| I know someone who suffered much guilt after giving up her baby. She has said many times that this story saved her sanity....and her life. Quote: The Judgment of Solomon refers to a story from the Hebrew Bible in which Solomon ruled between two women both claiming to be the mother of a child. The story is recounted in 1Kings 3:16-28. Two young women who lived in the same house and who both had an infant son came to Solomon for a judgment. One of the women claimed that the other, after accidentally smothering her own son while sleeping, had exchanged the two children to make it appear that the living child was hers. The other woman denied this and so both women claimed to be the mother of the living son and said that the dead boy belonged to the other. After some deliberation, King Solomon called for a sword to be brought before him. He declared that there is only one fair solution: the live son must be split in two, each woman receiving half of the child. Upon hearing this terrible verdict, the boy's true mother cried out, "Please, My Lord, give her the live child—do not kill him!" However, the liar, in her bitter jealousy, exclaimed, "It shall be neither mine nor yours—divide it!" Solomon instantly gave the live baby to the real mother, realizing that the true mother's instincts were to protect her child, while the liar revealed that she did not truly love the child. The reputation of the king greatly increased when all the people of Israel heard of this wise judgment. |
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