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Old 08-01-2012, 10:18 AM
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It flows in the UK. American "version" on tap is chilled....
maybe it is in whatever shit hole you drink in, but it doesn't change the fact that it's irish, not british.
I don't give a fuck if it's Polish, asswipe. I never said it was British. That's what I enjoyed every night in the pub. They even had Heineken and Budweiser, you half-bred assfucker. Tell us where they're from genius and why it means a shit.
Let me guess...del?
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The right to self-defense « Uncommon Misconceptions

Here are the basic rules for self-defense in Britain:

You are permitted to protect yourself with a briefcase, a handbag, or keys. You should shout “Call the Police” rather than “Help.” Bystanders are not to help. They have been taught to leave such matters to the professionals. If you manage to knock your attacker down, you must not hit him again or you risk being charged with assault.

I know lots of Brits. I work for a British company. The executive split their time equally between London and Los Angeles. What I have learned is that Brits themselves don't really understand self-defense or see a need for it. Self defense is somewhat distasteful.

Bookworm Room » Britain outlaws a homeowner’s self-defense against intruders
Myleene Klass, the broadcaster and model, brandished a knife at youths who broke into her garden – but has been warned by police that she may have acted illegally.

Miss Klass, a model for Marks & Spencer and a former singer with the pop group Hear’Say, was in her kitchen in the early hours of Friday when she saw two teenagers behaving suspiciously in her garden.

The youths approached the kitchen window, before attempting to break into her garden shed, prompting Miss Klass to wave a kitchen knife to scare them away.

Miss Klass, 31, who was alone in her house in Potters Bar, Herts, with her two-year-old daughter, Ava, called the police. When they arrived at her house they informed her that she should not have used a knife to scare off the youths because carrying an “offensive weapon” – even in her own home – was illegal.

One Brit, who describes himself as a pacifist, doesn't see the need for any kind of self defense. If you are nice, and cooperative, you might lose some property (possibly to someone who really needs it) but no one will hurt you.
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The right to self-defense « Uncommon Misconceptions

Here are the basic rules for self-defense in Britain:

You are permitted to protect yourself with a briefcase, a handbag, or keys. You should shout “Call the Police” rather than “Help.” Bystanders are not to help. They have been taught to leave such matters to the professionals. If you manage to knock your attacker down, you must not hit him again or you risk being charged with assault.

I know lots of Brits. I work for a British company. The executive split their time equally between London and Los Angeles. What I have learned is that Brits themselves don't really understand self-defense or see a need for it. Self defense is somewhat distasteful.

Bookworm Room » Britain outlaws a homeowner’s self-defense against intruders
Myleene Klass, the broadcaster and model, brandished a knife at youths who broke into her garden – but has been warned by police that she may have acted illegally.

Miss Klass, a model for Marks & Spencer and a former singer with the pop group Hear’Say, was in her kitchen in the early hours of Friday when she saw two teenagers behaving suspiciously in her garden.

The youths approached the kitchen window, before attempting to break into her garden shed, prompting Miss Klass to wave a kitchen knife to scare them away.

Miss Klass, 31, who was alone in her house in Potters Bar, Herts, with her two-year-old daughter, Ava, called the police. When they arrived at her house they informed her that she should not have used a knife to scare off the youths because carrying an “offensive weapon” – even in her own home – was illegal.

One Brit, who describes himself as a pacifist, doesn't see the need for any kind of self defense. If you are nice, and cooperative, you might lose some property (possibly to someone who really needs it) but no one will hurt you.
Thats strange to me.
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Just back from a week in the U.K.

Last night there – had dinner with a WONDERFUL couple (leg of lamb, veggies, potatoes, cheese, dessert – of course, Guiness – totally British!) and the topic of guns came up. I told our host how many guns I had in the house back in the States and he said, “Wait a minute…..”

He rushed upstairs to his hiding place and came back with a standard, WalMart issue pocket knife. He told me it’s illegal to have this – anything that “folds” is illegal. We are talking a basic pocket knife here.

I asked him – “What do you do if someone breaks in, attacks your wife, and you stab them with that thing?” He told me – he gets prison time, the attacker gets “Community Service.”

WTF???

I asked – can’t you protect yourself, inflict bodily harm? He says – nope. Have to attempt to restrain the intruders. Can’t injure/kill them –result=jail time.

Vote Obama. We’ll be at this level about 2 years into his next Commie term.

Unfreaking believable what the U.K. has become.
I agree with Obama. You are too stupid to own a pocket knife.
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The right to self-defense « Uncommon Misconceptions

Here are the basic rules for self-defense in Britain:

You are permitted to protect yourself with a briefcase, a handbag, or keys. You should shout “Call the Police” rather than “Help.” Bystanders are not to help. They have been taught to leave such matters to the professionals. If you manage to knock your attacker down, you must not hit him again or you risk being charged with assault.

I know lots of Brits. I work for a British company. The executive split their time equally between London and Los Angeles. What I have learned is that Brits themselves don't really understand self-defense or see a need for it. Self defense is somewhat distasteful.

Bookworm Room » Britain outlaws a homeowner’s self-defense against intruders
Myleene Klass, the broadcaster and model, brandished a knife at youths who broke into her garden – but has been warned by police that she may have acted illegally.

Miss Klass, a model for Marks & Spencer and a former singer with the pop group Hear’Say, was in her kitchen in the early hours of Friday when she saw two teenagers behaving suspiciously in her garden.

The youths approached the kitchen window, before attempting to break into her garden shed, prompting Miss Klass to wave a kitchen knife to scare them away.

Miss Klass, 31, who was alone in her house in Potters Bar, Herts, with her two-year-old daughter, Ava, called the police. When they arrived at her house they informed her that she should not have used a knife to scare off the youths because carrying an “offensive weapon” – even in her own home – was illegal.

One Brit, who describes himself as a pacifist, doesn't see the need for any kind of self defense. If you are nice, and cooperative, you might lose some property (possibly to someone who really needs it) but no one will hurt you.
Hilarious how guys like you insist you know more about a country foreign to you than the locals know themselves. I refer you once again to post 17. It even provides an example of how far 'reasonable' force extends...in that case to actually killing the intruder and facing no prosecution.
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The right to self-defense « Uncommon Misconceptions

Here are the basic rules for self-defense in Britain:

You are permitted to protect yourself with a briefcase, a handbag, or keys. You should shout “Call the Police” rather than “Help.” Bystanders are not to help. They have been taught to leave such matters to the professionals. If you manage to knock your attacker down, you must not hit him again or you risk being charged with assault.

I know lots of Brits. I work for a British company. The executive split their time equally between London and Los Angeles. What I have learned is that Brits themselves don't really understand self-defense or see a need for it. Self defense is somewhat distasteful.

Bookworm Room » Britain outlaws a homeowner’s self-defense against intruders
Myleene Klass, the broadcaster and model, brandished a knife at youths who broke into her garden – but has been warned by police that she may have acted illegally.

Miss Klass, a model for Marks & Spencer and a former singer with the pop group Hear’Say, was in her kitchen in the early hours of Friday when she saw two teenagers behaving suspiciously in her garden.

The youths approached the kitchen window, before attempting to break into her garden shed, prompting Miss Klass to wave a kitchen knife to scare them away.

Miss Klass, 31, who was alone in her house in Potters Bar, Herts, with her two-year-old daughter, Ava, called the police. When they arrived at her house they informed her that she should not have used a knife to scare off the youths because carrying an “offensive weapon” – even in her own home – was illegal.

One Brit, who describes himself as a pacifist, doesn't see the need for any kind of self defense. If you are nice, and cooperative, you might lose some property (possibly to someone who really needs it) but no one will hurt you.
I'll take bullshit for $100 Alex.

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Just back from a week in the U.K.

Last night there – had dinner with a WONDERFUL couple (leg of lamb, veggies, potatoes, cheese, dessert – of course, Guiness – totally British!) and the topic of guns came up. I told our host how many guns I had in the house back in the States and he said, “Wait a minute…..”

He rushed upstairs to his hiding place and came back with a standard, WalMart issue pocket knife. He told me it’s illegal to have this – anything that “folds” is illegal. We are talking a basic pocket knife here.

I asked him – “What do you do if someone breaks in, attacks your wife, and you stab them with that thing?” He told me – he gets prison time, the attacker gets “Community Service.”

WTF???

I asked – can’t you protect yourself, inflict bodily harm? He says – nope. Have to attempt to restrain the intruders. Can’t injure/kill them –result=jail time.

Vote Obama. We’ll be at this level about 2 years into his next Commie term.

Unfreaking believable what the U.K. has become.
Only just saw this OP.

In 2007, to be certain, I asked a cop at Waterloo station whether it was illegal to carry a knife. he said it depends on the type of knife and the length of blade. I produced a swiss army knife attached to my keyring. He instantly said, "No, that's fine, blade isn't too long and it doesn't lock."

If someone breaks into your house, you can't just take that as carte blanche to kill them. You can use appropriate force to defend yourself.

Your friend was being dramatic. It must have been a good dinner.
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David Cameron said he did not know the full facts of the case but said the police “do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense”. Asked about the incident on ITV’s This Morning, he said: “If that is the case I think it is ridiculous to complain about someone who is obviously worried about what people were threatening her with. “Sometimes the police do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense.” He went on: “I don’t know the facts of the case and sometimes when you look at these cases and you find a bit more detail, you find it is not quite ... what it appears. But we want some common sense in policing. One of the things that has gone wrong with all this red tape and form filling is that we are taking away discretion from the nurse, the teacher, the doctor, the police officer. We have got to give them back that discretion.”

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Look, there is no way it can be illegal for someone to wave a knife around in their own home. I don't care what the law says, if the law says you can't brandish a knife, why don't they just ban knives?

The law is bad enough over here. Can't carry a knife for self protection, and we wonder why people are attacked and robbed. They can't fight back, obviously. Some demented people here even ask 'why does anyone need to carry a knife'. Well, duh. Most people carry a knife for self protection. I wish I could.
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David Cameron said he did not know the full facts of the case but said the police “do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense”. Asked about the incident on ITV’s This Morning, he said: “If that is the case I think it is ridiculous to complain about someone who is obviously worried about what people were threatening her with. “Sometimes the police do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense.” He went on: “I don’t know the facts of the case and sometimes when you look at these cases and you find a bit more detail, you find it is not quite ... what it appears. But we want some common sense in policing. One of the things that has gone wrong with all this red tape and form filling is that we are taking away discretion from the nurse, the teacher, the doctor, the police officer. We have got to give them back that discretion.”

David Cameron defends Myleene Klass on 'common sense' policing | UK News | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express
Full 'facts' appear to be that the police say they never gave her that advice, unless someone knows something different...
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Look, there is no way it can be illegal for someone to wave a knife around in their own home. I don't care what the law says, if the law says you can't brandish a knife, why don't they just ban knives?

The law is bad enough over here. Can't carry a knife for self protection, and we wonder why people are attacked and robbed. They can't fight back, obviously. Some demented people here even ask 'why does anyone need to carry a knife'. Well, duh. Most people carry a knife for self protection. I wish I could.
As has been pointed out, the view expressed in the OP is wrong. It's not illegal. She's on private property so has not broken a law there, and the possible charge of assault would not stand as she's defending herself, her property and her child.
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Look, there is no way it can be illegal for someone to wave a knife around in their own home. I don't care what the law says, if the law says you can't brandish a knife, why don't they just ban knives?

The law is bad enough over here. Can't carry a knife for self protection, and we wonder why people are attacked and robbed. They can't fight back, obviously. Some demented people here even ask 'why does anyone need to carry a knife'. Well, duh. Most people carry a knife for self protection. I wish I could.
As has been pointed out, the view expressed in the OP is wrong. It's not illegal. She's on private property so has not broken a law there, and the possible charge of assault would not stand as she's defending herself, her property and her child.
Doesn't stop people from believing it.
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David Cameron said he did not know the full facts of the case but said the police “do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense”. Asked about the incident on ITV’s This Morning, he said: “If that is the case I think it is ridiculous to complain about someone who is obviously worried about what people were threatening her with. “Sometimes the police do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense.” He went on: “I don’t know the facts of the case and sometimes when you look at these cases and you find a bit more detail, you find it is not quite ... what it appears. But we want some common sense in policing. One of the things that has gone wrong with all this red tape and form filling is that we are taking away discretion from the nurse, the teacher, the doctor, the police officer. We have got to give them back that discretion.”

David Cameron defends Myleene Klass on 'common sense' policing | UK News | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express
Full 'facts' appear to be that the police say they never gave her that advice, unless someone knows something different...
The police say they never gave her that advice???? The claim isn't in the article you posted. Only that David Cameron said that he thought the advice lacked common sense.
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David Cameron said he did not know the full facts of the case but said the police “do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense”. Asked about the incident on ITV’s This Morning, he said: “If that is the case I think it is ridiculous to complain about someone who is obviously worried about what people were threatening her with. “Sometimes the police do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense.” He went on: “I don’t know the facts of the case and sometimes when you look at these cases and you find a bit more detail, you find it is not quite ... what it appears. But we want some common sense in policing. One of the things that has gone wrong with all this red tape and form filling is that we are taking away discretion from the nurse, the teacher, the doctor, the police officer. We have got to give them back that discretion.”

David Cameron defends Myleene Klass on 'common sense' policing | UK News | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express
Full 'facts' appear to be that the police say they never gave her that advice, unless someone knows something different...
The police say they never gave her that advice???? The claim isn't in the article you posted. Only that David Cameron said that he thought the advice lacked common sense.


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David Cameron said he did not know the full facts of the case but said the police “do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense”. Asked about the incident on ITV’s This Morning, he said: “If that is the case I think it is ridiculous to complain about someone who is obviously worried about what people were threatening her with. “Sometimes the police do seem to do things that slightly fly in the face of common sense.” He went on: “I don’t know the facts of the case and sometimes when you look at these cases and you find a bit more detail, you find it is not quite ... what it appears. But we want some common sense in policing. One of the things that has gone wrong with all this red tape and form filling is that we are taking away discretion from the nurse, the teacher, the doctor, the police officer. We have got to give them back that discretion.”

David Cameron defends Myleene Klass on 'common sense' policing | UK News | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express
Full 'facts' appear to be that the police say they never gave her that advice, unless someone knows something different...
The police say they never gave her that advice???? The claim isn't in the article you posted. Only that David Cameron said that he thought the advice lacked common sense.
It's always best to check a report from the red tops who go for sensationalism, rather than accuracy, in reporting....

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But a statement from Hertfordshire police said: "Officers spoke to reassure the home owner, talked through security and gave advice in relation to the importance of reporting suspicious activity immediately to allow officers to act appropriately."

It added: "For clarification, at no point were any official warnings or words of advice given to the home owner in relation to the use of a knife or offensive weapon in their home."

BBC News - Myleene Klass has 'no regrets' over knife incident
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