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Germany Invades Greece AGAIN But Doesn't Need The LuftWaffe This Time!

In April 1941 Operation "Marita" began when German troops invaded Greece through Bulgaria. This go round they've dispensed the Luftwaffe (Air Force) and are using a force FAR more powerful and destructive: The European Union.

It's Official: German Economy Minister Demands Surrender Of Greek Budget Policy, Says It Is First Of Many Such Sovereign "Requests" | ZeroHedge
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German Economy Minister Philipp Roesler: "Greece must surrender control of its budget policy to outside institutions if it cannot implement reforms attached to euro zone rescue measures", the German economy minister was quoted as saying on Sunday. Philipp Roesler became the first German cabinet member to openly endorse a proposal for Greece to surrender budget control after Reuters quoted a European source on Friday as saying Berlin wants Athens to give up budget control." And some bad news for our Portuguese (and then Spanish) readers: YOU are NEXT.
Upon hearing the news France immediately surrendered!
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Greek Woes Weigh on European Economy
February 23, 2012 - European Commission reversed its previous growth forecast and predicted 0.3 percent economic contraction contrasted with commission's estimate just three months ago that eurozone economies would grow by 0.5 percent this year
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Fears of a spreading debt crisis appear to be taking their toll on European economies. In Brussels, the European Commission reversed its previous growth forecast and predicted Thursday that 2012 will be a year of mild recession, at least in the eurozone - the 17 nations that use the euro currency. The forecast for a 0.3 percent economic contraction contrasted with the commission's estimate just three months ago that eurozone economies would grow by 0.5 percent this year.

Declines in Italy and Spain are the main causes for the eurozone's overall shift into the red, but it is in Greece that the pain of austerity measures has been most keenly felt. In Greece, so much the focus of attention, it is another day and another protest. This time, it is the health care workers who have walked off the job. Yannis Haralambopoulos, Head of the workers at Children's Hospital Agia Sofia, in central Athens said, "[We are protesting] for all of these measures that are financial and have led us to this level of no longer having salaries. We simply get a welfare benefit. We cannot live off it."

For all its maneuvering, the government provides little comfort. Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos put it grimly. Venizelos says, the choice comes down to "either sacrifices with prospects, or complete destruction with no prospects at all." But now there is even more to worry about, recession. EU Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn says this recession is expected to be mild, and there are signs the Euro area is starting to stabilize. But there are still major problems to overcome. "We have to see that this is a crisis of confidence and to restore confidence we need to resolve the sovereign debt crisis and at the same time mitigate banking sector fragilities," said Rehn.

Rehn says Europe can pull out of recession fairly soon if national policy-makers take decisive action by finding ways to trim spending while still sparking economic growth. In the meantime, Rehn and others are pushing for a bigger bailout fund, something that Germany has opposed. Still, it is of little consolation to many Greeks, and others across Europe, who are starting to worry if and how the paychecks will keep coming.

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Greek Credit Downgraded Even With Bailout
February 22, 2012 - The Fitch financial services company is again downgrading the credit rating of Greece, saying that the debt-ridden country is "highly likely" to default on its financial obligations even after securing a new bailout from its European neighbors.
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Fitch said Wednesday it has cut Greece two notches (from CCC to C), pushing the credit standing for the Athens government deeper into junk status. The ratings company took the action after Greece earlier this week secured a new $172 billion international bailout and negotiated a $142 billion writeoff of the debt it owes large financial institutions. While Greece has reached a general agreement on elimination of more than half the debt its owes private creditors, it must now negotiate the specific terms of the writedown with individual banks and other investors. Greek officials say that when about two-thirds of its lenders agree to cut the amount the are owed, they will impose the same debt reduction involuntarily on its remaining lenders.

Fitch said such involuntary debt cuts for the private creditors will amount to a Greek default, and called the arrangement "distressed and de facto coercive." Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos says the country has a lot of work to do before it starts to collect the new bailout money, its second rescue package in two years. The Greek parliament has agreed in principle to the package of spending and job cuts demanded by the European Union and the International Monetary Fund. The lawmakers must now pass all 79 specific measures included in the package before getting the bailout funds. The bailout will likely avoid the bankruptcy Greece faces if it cannot pay investors $19 billion when government bonds come due, March 20th.

The rescue package requires Greece to make deep and unpopular spending cuts. They include a 22 percent cut in the country's minimum wage and the elimination of 15,000 government jobs. Thousands of Greeks have held sometimes violent street protests against the cuts, saying they have already sacrificed enough. More protests were planned for later Wednesday. The head of the EU delegation to the United States, Ambassador Joao Vale de Almeida, told VOA in an exclusive interview that the bloc has learned a lot from the crisis, namely the need for a mechanism to deal with emergency situations, an improved level of economic governance and solidarity among all members of the 17-nation bloc that uses the euro.

"I think we learned a lot. We learned a lot about the means that we need to have to deal with emergency situations," said the ambassador. "We didn't have them before. We created, we developed them to deal with the cases like Greece and a few other countries." "Secondly, we learned that our governance system was not yet at the right level of sophistication, and we are in fact changing a lot; if not, there is a small revolution going on inside the euro area in the way we deal with what we call the economic governance. There is a lot being changed. And thirdly, I think we learned a very simple lesson. When you are part of a system, there has to be solidarity," he added. Greece got a $145 billion bailout last year and is, by far, the biggest recipient of international aid in eurozone history. Yet Greece accounts for just two percent of the eurozone economy.

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In April 1941 Operation "Marita" began when German troops invaded Greece through Bulgaria. This go round they've dispensed the Luftwaffe (Air Force) and are using a force FAR more powerful and destructive: The European Union.

It's Official: German Economy Minister Demands Surrender Of Greek Budget Policy, Says It Is First Of Many Such Sovereign "Requests" | ZeroHedge
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German Economy Minister Philipp Roesler: "Greece must surrender control of its budget policy to outside institutions if it cannot implement reforms attached to euro zone rescue measures", the German economy minister was quoted as saying on Sunday. Philipp Roesler became the first German cabinet member to openly endorse a proposal for Greece to surrender budget control after Reuters quoted a European source on Friday as saying Berlin wants Athens to give up budget control." And some bad news for our Portuguese (and then Spanish) readers: YOU are NEXT.
Upon hearing the news France immediately surrendered!
don't worry, when the greeks hold elections in April, this 'deal' will vanish too....
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