A question regarding the Sun

Ok for years now we have listened to the environuts claim the sun had nothing or almost nothing to do with the minor heating we have experienced up until 2000.

Now we are being told by these same people that the Sun IS causing a cooling period, eliminating the heating trend.

My question is, If the Sun had no real impact on HEATING the planet, why can these same people now claim with straight faces it is causing the heating to stop?

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Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable
-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.
-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

global warming is a faith based religion..

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You are both silly asses. Nobody has claimed the sun has nothing to do with warming and cooling. What has been observed is that the total solar irradiance has not increased in the last 50 years, while the amount of warming has. The fact that there is a cooling during a solar minimum has never been in question. In fact, the combination of a solar minimum and a strong and persistant La Nina should have produced some real cool years in 2007, and 2008. But both were in the top ten as far as warm years go. They should have been at least in the mid range for the last 150 years, 50th to 70th warmest, not in the top 10. As the solar cycle ramps up again and the inevitable El Nino arrives, we will see years that exceed 1998 and 2005. And then you silly asses will be back to claiming it is because of the sun increasing TSI, even though the average TSI remains the same. You fellows just cannot keep your logic or stories straight.

sunspot activity has consequences we do not even begin to understand....you cannot control what the sun does

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The people who can't keep their stories straight are the enviro-Malthusians.

The goofs on the Weather Channel can't tell anyone with any certainty what the weather is going to be like next week. Yet, change the title from "meteorologist" to "climatologist" and somehow those eggheads can tell us with certainty what the weather is going to be like 20 years from now.

And not a one of them has explained the cooling that has occurred since '98, even though the CO2 levels are supposedly continuing to rise.

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What cooling???? Don't you Kool-Aid drinkers know that the decade from 1999 to 2008 has been the warmest decade in the history of direct instrument measurement?

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Read it and weep, numbnuts:

Satellite Data : Temps FALLING Since 1998, declining to 1983 levels...

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Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe.

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Again, you are measuring geologic change with a stop watch. The TSI has undeniably been rising since about 1700 and the temperature has risen with it. The temperature cratered due to the drop of TSI in about 1600 and before. This drop was the result of TSI falling. The rise is due to TSI increasing.

The TSI has been at its historic high for the 50 years over which you say it has not increased. It really doesn't need to when it's already higher than it's ever been. See link #1 below.

Should have been cooler than 150 years ago? Not according to TSI. However, the TSI has dropped over the recent several years and so has tempearture. CO2 continued to rise. What do you gleen from this?


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Solar Irradiance Anomalies and Climate

wtf? No offense, RGS, but you are a retard. I've never heard anyone claim that the sun has no impact on heating the planet.

Here's the whole world:

http://rankexploits.com/musings/wp-c...hvsrss2000.jpg

MORONS indeed. We on this board have SEEN the arguments where it was put forward that since the OTHER planets in the solar system are heating the sun is the common denominator only to be told the Sun did not cause the recent rise in temperature from the 80's to the 90's. Further the raise in temperature over the period 1900 to 2000 was not abnormal at all. It falls right in the range of the rise predicted in the early parts of the 1900's based on the rise in temperature the previous centuries.

The only concern was the fact a lot of the 1 degree rise occurred in a short period, 80's to 90's, 20 years. And now with temperatures falling we have the same retards "adjusting" the records to claim the temperature is still rising. Of course do not ask them how they determined how to adjust those temperatures.

The man made global warming lie is so weak that every time a theory is put forth it is destroyed by science but then the believers ignore the science. So weak that scientists supporting the theory resort to cheap lies, remember the Hockey Stick Graph? Published and repeated as fact until a few years later the simple fact it was not true was finally forced on the papers and groups supporting it. So easily proven wrong that it should never have been published in the first place. So easily proven wrong it should not have taken years to disprove it.

CO2 does not lead temperature historically, Temperature leads CO2. There is no proof at all that man made CO2 is causing a sudden rise in temperature at all. The science does not back up the claim. And with the current cooling as CO2 continues to rise anyone with a functioning brain cell can see CO2 is not the cause.

The idea that one can predict the rise of temperature based on a single 20 year period is ignorant and completely unscientific.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable
-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.
-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Golly....All them lines seem to be trending lower, too!!

I wonder who's been the one drinking -maybe even snorting- the Kool-Aid now??

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The whole world but up in the Troposphere, not the surface temps. And it's not like you don't know it's the Troposphere because you tried this deliberate deception on the AOL boards and I caught you then too. What makes you think the same dishonesty would be any more successful here?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

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Yes, yes, yes...We get much better measurements of ambient temperatures from thermometers stationed in urban areas, nearby A/C condensers.

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