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97% of climatologists believe in man-made global warming

(CNN) -- Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.

A survey of more than 3,000 scientists found that the vast majority believe humans cause global warming.

Against a backdrop of harsh winter weather across much of North America and Europe, the concept of rising global temperatures might seem incongruous.

However the results of the investigation conducted at the end of 2008 reveal that vast majority of the Earth scientists surveyed agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

The study released today was conducted by academics from the University of Illinois, who used an online questionnaire of nine questions. The scientists approached were listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com
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POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

The U.S. Senate report is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition rising to challenge the UN and Gore. Scientific meetings are now being dominated by a growing number of skeptical scientists. The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists' equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and prominently featured the voices and views of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. [See Full report Here: & See: Skeptical scientists overwhelm conference: '2/3 of presenters and question-askers were hostile to, even dismissive of, the UN IPCC' ]

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Indian Scientist Mocks Nobel Prize Award to Gore
August 19, 2008 -- A major international scientific conference prominently featured the voices and views of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. The International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists' equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Oslo, Norway, from August 4-14.
[The conference was criticized by the activists at RealClimate.org (who apparently are threatened by any challenges to their version of ‘consensus' on global warming science) for being too balanced and allowing skeptical scientists to have a forum. RealClimate's Rasmus E. Benestad lamented on August 19 that the actual scientific debate during the conference "seemed to be a step backwards towards confusion rather than a progress towards resolution." ]

During the Geologic conference, Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia of the Center of Advanced Study in Geology at Punjab University and a visiting scholar of the Geology Department at University of Cincinnati, openly ridiculed former Vice President Al Gore and the UN IPCC's coveted Nobel Peace Prize. [An online video of an August 8, 2008, conference climate change panel has been posted and is a must-see video for anyone desiring healthy scientific debate. See: HERE ]

"I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists," Ahluwalia, a fellow of the Geological Society of India, said during a question and answer panel discussion. [Ahluwalia's remarks can be viewed beginning at 22:14 of the online video] - [ Ahluwalia's full bio here: ]

‘Elite IPCC'

Ahluwalia, who has authored numerous scientific studies in the fields of geology and paleontology, referred to the UN climate panel as the "elite IPCC." "The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds." [See other critiques of IPCC here: UN IPCC 'a purely political body posing as a scientific institution' - & here: Report Debunks So-Called 'Consensus' On Global Warming ]

Ahluwalia, a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet (Planet Earth - Earth Sciences for Society) also criticized the promoters of man-made global warming fears for "drawing out exaggerated conclusions" and took the UN to task for failing to allow dissenting voices.

"When I put forward my points in the morning, some IPCC official got up to say that what I was [saying was] ‘nonsense.' See, when we have that sort of attitude, that sort of dogma against a scientific observation that would not actually end up in very, very positive debate. We should maintain our sense of proportion, maintain our sense of objectivity, allow a discussion -- not have fixed mindset about global warming," he said to applause from the members. [Note: Ahluwalia was also joined by another Indian scientist at the conference, see video at 17:18 - In addition, the government of India and several prominent Indian scientists have recently voiced their skepticism about climate change science. See: India Issues Report Challenging Global Warming Fears - July 9, 2008 -

Panel participants at the August 8 debate included skeptical Physicist Dr. Henrik Svensmark of the Danish National Space Centre and Paleoclimate scientist Dr. Bob Carter of Australia's James Cook University, former chairman of the earth science panel of the Australian Research Council, who has published numerous peer-reviewed papers and is an outspoken dissenter of Gore and the UN IPCC's climate claims.

Prominent scientist Professor Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, a leading world authority on sea levels and coastal erosion who headed the Department of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics at Stockholm University, was also on hand during the panel's question and answer session.

A Canadian paleoclimatolgist/sedimentary geologist openly dissented from UN IPCC views during the panel's Q & A session. "I think the scientific community is putting way too much faith on these models, especially given the fact that they have not been able to predict 5-day weather forecasts yet and weather systems are simpler than the climate, and every 5 days they have a chance to test the model and improve it," the Canadian scientist said. [ At 43:30 and 44:35 of online video]

"A lot of the predictions made by modelers and models do not match very well to the longer term geologic record and even more scary, most atmospheric scientists are not aware of that," he explained.

‘For how many years must cooling go on?'

Another scientist stood up to a key question about the recent global cooling trend.

"We know temperature goes up and down, we know there is tremendous amount of natural variations, but for how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand -- we politicians and scientists-- that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" the scientist asked to applause from the audience.
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It is easy to get a computer model to spit out the result you want when the information you enter is skewed or not even valid to begin with. What I find amusing about global warming is that we couldn't stop it if we wanted to, even if we are responsible. They've pretty much already told us that. So instead of figuring out how we're going to change it, why not figure out how to deal with it if it actually takes place. If the Southwestern US is going to completely dry up, how are we going to get water to the people that live there? Maybe we should be thinking about that rather than how we're going to change something that we can't.
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POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

The U.S. Senate report is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition rising to challenge the UN and Gore. Scientific meetings are now being dominated by a growing number of skeptical scientists. The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists' equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and prominently featured the voices and views of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. [See Full report Here: & See: Skeptical scientists overwhelm conference: '2/3 of presenters and question-askers were hostile to, even dismissive of, the UN IPCC' ]

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Indian Scientist Mocks Nobel Prize Award to Gore
August 19, 2008 -- A major international scientific conference prominently featured the voices and views of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. The International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists' equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Oslo, Norway, from August 4-14.
[The conference was criticized by the activists at RealClimate.org (who apparently are threatened by any challenges to their version of ‘consensus' on global warming science) for being too balanced and allowing skeptical scientists to have a forum. RealClimate's Rasmus E. Benestad lamented on August 19 that the actual scientific debate during the conference "seemed to be a step backwards towards confusion rather than a progress towards resolution." ]

During the Geologic conference, Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia of the Center of Advanced Study in Geology at Punjab University and a visiting scholar of the Geology Department at University of Cincinnati, openly ridiculed former Vice President Al Gore and the UN IPCC's coveted Nobel Peace Prize. [An online video of an August 8, 2008, conference climate change panel has been posted and is a must-see video for anyone desiring healthy scientific debate. See: HERE ]

"I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists," Ahluwalia, a fellow of the Geological Society of India, said during a question and answer panel discussion. [Ahluwalia's remarks can be viewed beginning at 22:14 of the online video] - [ Ahluwalia's full bio here: ]

‘Elite IPCC'

Ahluwalia, who has authored numerous scientific studies in the fields of geology and paleontology, referred to the UN climate panel as the "elite IPCC." "The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds." [See other critiques of IPCC here: UN IPCC 'a purely political body posing as a scientific institution' - & here: Report Debunks So-Called 'Consensus' On Global Warming ]

Ahluwalia, a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet (Planet Earth - Earth Sciences for Society) also criticized the promoters of man-made global warming fears for "drawing out exaggerated conclusions" and took the UN to task for failing to allow dissenting voices.

"When I put forward my points in the morning, some IPCC official got up to say that what I was [saying was] ‘nonsense.' See, when we have that sort of attitude, that sort of dogma against a scientific observation that would not actually end up in very, very positive debate. We should maintain our sense of proportion, maintain our sense of objectivity, allow a discussion -- not have fixed mindset about global warming," he said to applause from the members. [Note: Ahluwalia was also joined by another Indian scientist at the conference, see video at 17:18 - In addition, the government of India and several prominent Indian scientists have recently voiced their skepticism about climate change science. See: India Issues Report Challenging Global Warming Fears - July 9, 2008 -

Panel participants at the August 8 debate included skeptical Physicist Dr. Henrik Svensmark of the Danish National Space Centre and Paleoclimate scientist Dr. Bob Carter of Australia's James Cook University, former chairman of the earth science panel of the Australian Research Council, who has published numerous peer-reviewed papers and is an outspoken dissenter of Gore and the UN IPCC's climate claims.

Prominent scientist Professor Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, a leading world authority on sea levels and coastal erosion who headed the Department of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics at Stockholm University, was also on hand during the panel's question and answer session.

A Canadian paleoclimatolgist/sedimentary geologist openly dissented from UN IPCC views during the panel's Q & A session. "I think the scientific community is putting way too much faith on these models, especially given the fact that they have not been able to predict 5-day weather forecasts yet and weather systems are simpler than the climate, and every 5 days they have a chance to test the model and improve it," the Canadian scientist said. [ At 43:30 and 44:35 of online video]

"A lot of the predictions made by modelers and models do not match very well to the longer term geologic record and even more scary, most atmospheric scientists are not aware of that," he explained.

‘For how many years must cooling go on?'

Another scientist stood up to a key question about the recent global cooling trend.

"We know temperature goes up and down, we know there is tremendous amount of natural variations, but for how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand -- we politicians and scientists-- that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" the scientist asked to applause from the audience.
97% of the climatologists disagree with you.

So sorry....
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Yeah, amazing how it's been cooling since 1998 ...global warming obviosuly is real.
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Yeah, amazing how it's been cooling since 1998 ...global warming obviosuly is real.
Nothing amazing about it. 1998 was the El Nino of the century. The sun is in the low part of its cycle right now, and the Southern Oscillation is too. As the sun and the Southern Oscillation move up in the cycle in the next few years, it will heat up.

This is not to say that the sun could not trump global warming. It can. But the increase in CO2 is massive and relentless and is accelerating as China and India industrialize. Plus the force multiplier of arctic methane is starting to kick in. I believe what is happening is inevitable and will have consequences far beyond what we can imagine.
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Ummm ... that would be 97% of the climatoligists participating...just to make sure everyone understands it isn't 97% of ALL climatoligists.
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And 97% of scientists in the field agreed T-Rex was a super carnivore as recent as 10 years ago... and 97% of astrophysicists agreed in a static model universe as well in the fairly recent past...

The key is it is only a ****ing theory.. and there are still many who do not buy into this theory... just as the theories behind the ascertaining of historic temperatures over history, and not proof... just as there were theories behind the global cooling assertions just a couple decades ago...

There is no proof that man is having any huge effect on the cyclical change in the global climate... the temp has gone up as we have industrialized more as a species... but theorizing or saying for fact that we are the cause would be like deducing that when I started smoking in the house, and my energy cost to heat and cool my house went up, and hence smoking caused climate change in my house... when there are many more impacting events such as seals on the windows getting older, temp changes outside, the furnace and AC becoming less efficient, etc.... it is a theory of convenience, not an absolute fact
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And 97% of scientists in the field agreed T-Rex was a super carnivore as recent as 10 years ago... and 97% of astrophysicists agreed in a static model universe as well in the fairly recent past...

The key is it is only a ****ing theory.. and there are still many who do not buy into this theory... just as the theories behind the ascertaining of historic temperatures over history, and not proof... just as there were theories behind the global cooling assertions just a couple decades ago...

There is no proof that man is having any huge effect on the cyclical change in the global climate... the temp has gone up as we have industrialized more as a species... but theorizing or saying for fact that we are the cause would be like deducing that when I started smoking in the house, and my energy cost to heat and cool my house went up, and hence smoking caused climate change in my house... when there are many more impacting events such as seals on the windows getting older, temp changes outside, the furnace and AC becoming less efficient, etc.... it is a theory of convenience, not an absolute fact
Sorry, Dave. Global warming is not a theory. CO2 causes the earth to retain heat. That is not a theory, that is a provable fact. We have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by 40% in the last 200 years, so we have warmed the earth.

The only question is, by how much?
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no its a ****ing theory you dimwit because the #1 reason for warming is water vapor

so lets get rid of the clouds right!
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Ummm ... that would be 97% of the climatoligists participating...just to make sure everyone understands it isn't 97% of ALL climatoligists.
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Sorry, Dave. Global warming is not a theory. CO2 causes the earth to retain heat. That is not a theory, that is a provable fact. We have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by 40% in the last 200 years, so we have warmed the earth.

The only question is, by how much?
And CO2 comes from many more sources than just humans.. more cows now... volcanic activity dwarfs the amount we put forth from industrialization... plus the other factors than CAN AND DO effect climate, including (as stated) water vapor, global cycles, solar activity, etc...

Again.... you, and the chicken little human caused global warming conspirators, like to focus on the 1 thing.. whether the reason be self loathing, guilt, fame, notoriety, profit, job security, or whatever

It is a theory.. and whether it be a widely held one or an unpopular one is of no consequence... as shown before.. just because a theory is popular at any one given time, does not mean it is the only theory, the correct theory, or fact

But nice try again kirkybot....
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Ummm ... that would be 97% of the climatoligists participating...just to make sure everyone understands it isn't 97% of ALL climatoligists.
LOL. That's like saying "that would be 54 percent of the voters participating in the poll." There's always a margin of error, but 97 percent of 3,000 isn't going to translate to less than an overwhelming majority of all the climatologists in America.
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LOL. That's like saying "that would be 54 percent of the voters participating in the poll." There's always a margin of error, but 97 percent of 3,000 isn't going to translate to less than an overwhelming majority of all the climatologists in America.
So, just how many "climatologists" are there in America? Of those, how many are really "climatologists" and not just TV weathermen? How many of those "climatologists" don't have a vested interest because they are not getting government grants?

Lot's of variables that aren't answered just like every other survey ever taken.
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