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07-12-2008, 04:13 PM
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Another good reason not to go with hyrdogen cars.
For every two hydrogen atoms used, one molecule of H2O (spewed as vapor) exits the exhaust. |
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07-12-2008, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by editec Water vapor, eh?
Another good reason not to go with hyrdogen cars.
For every two hydrogen atoms used, one molecule of H2O (spewed as vapor) exits the exhaust. | Yep to bad the GW alarmists will never admit it. They want us to all believe the gas we all breath out, and Plants need to live is the culprit, and Water vapor is harmless. | 
07-12-2008, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles_Main Yep to bad the GW alarmists will never admit it. They want us to all believe the gas we all breath out, and Plants need to live is the culprit, and Water vapor is harmless. | Yea, its us that won't admit.....
You are a piece of work. Your parents must be so proud. Chances are you are a chip off the old block.
Im watching Superman. You remind me of Lex Luthor. Only he stands to benefit when he ruins the planet. What will you get out of it.
This proves you'll swallow anything the GOP tells you. 8otice you side with them on everything?
Do you love America or just the gop? Do you respect the presidency or just the president? | 
07-12-2008, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sealybobo Yea, its us that won't admit.....
You are a piece of work. Your parents must be so proud. Chances are you are a chip off the old block.
Im watching Superman. You remind me of Lex Luthor. Only he stands to benefit when he ruins the planet. What will you get out of it.
This proves you'll swallow anything the GOP tells you. 8otice you side with them on everything?
Do you love America or just the gop? Do you respect the presidency or just the president? | Yes, throw some insults and do nothing to dispute the FACT that WATER VAPOR is the single biggest green house gas.
here are some sources about Water Vapor as a green house gas. http://www.espere.net/Unitedkingdom/...tervapour.html http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html http://environment.newscientist.com/...change/dn11652
I know it is hard, but please actually read it before you respond with yet more Democrat talking points and insults.
Do you love AMerica or just Liberals?
Prove my points wrong or walk away big guy.
My parents? they have both been dead for some time, the fact you bring up parents tells me you just a kid. Grow up and think for yourself.
I hardly support everything the GOP says, only the parts that I find to be true, of course all you would need to do is read all my posts to know that.
Just another brainwashed liberal insult artist with no substance at all.
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07-12-2008, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sealybobo Yea, its us that won't admit.....
You are a piece of work. Your parents must be so proud. Chances are you are a chip off the old block.
Im watching Superman. You remind me of Lex Luthor. Only he stands to benefit when he ruins the planet. What will you get out of it.
This proves you'll swallow anything the GOP tells you. 8otice you side with them on everything?
Do you love America or just the gop? Do you respect the presidency or just the president? | You remind me of this.....
WATOR VAPOR is more of a green-house gas than CO2, and it is MORE present in the atmosphere than CO2. Wator Vapor makes up way more of the atmosphere than CO2. I, as well as others, have already posted numerous articles showing this FACT
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07-12-2008, 06:19 PM
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Perhaps pumping 8 billion metric tons of it into the atmosphere each year is warming the earth? | 
07-12-2008, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles_Main Yes, throw some insults and do nothing to dispute the FACT that WATER VAPOR is the single biggest green house gas.
here are some sources about Water Vapor as a green house gas. Water vapour - A greenhouse gas NCDC: Greenhouse Gases Climate myths: CO<SUB>2</SUB> isn't the most important greenhouse gas - climate-change - 16 May 2007 - New Scientist Environment
I know it is hard, but please actually read it before you respond with yet more Democrat talking points and insults.
Do you love AMerica or just Liberals?
Prove my points wrong or walk away big guy.
My parents? they have both been dead for some time, the fact you bring up parents tells me you just a kid. Grow up and think for yourself.
I hardly support everything the GOP says, only the parts that I find to be true, of course all you would need to do is read all my posts to know that.
Just another brainwashed liberal insult artist with no substance at all. | all the pollution coming out of cars and and companies isn't the problem? its water vapors?
your sources are conservative sources. sorry.
( I ) this is me walking away.
I'm no expert on this and neither are you. I just follow what 90 percent of the scientists say.
But in your defense, the guys who went to the moon brought back some green glass like stuff, each the size if a period. after all these yrs the found h2o in them, which cals into question the theory that something the size of mars hit the earth and created the moon, because no water would be on the moon if that happened.
then again, these green things could have come from meteors.
that's the difference between theory and fact.
are humans contributing to GW? As of right now, the theory is yes. I'll go with what the majority thinks.
your theory is not accepted by the majority, which makes it weak. | 
07-12-2008, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianH You remind me of this.....
WATOR VAPOR is more of a green-house gas than CO2, and it is MORE present in the atmosphere than CO2. Wator Vapor makes up way more of the atmosphere than CO2. I, as well as others, have already posted numerous articles showing this FACT | what you guys are saying might be right, but you are still wrong if you think all the companies and cars in the world aren't hurting the planet.
one day we will wipe ourselves out but the planet will live on.
or it might be a mega volcano or meteor. | 
07-12-2008, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sealybobo all the pollution coming out of cars and and companies isn't the problem? its water vapors?
your sources are conservative sources. sorry.
( I ) this is me walking away. I'm no expert on this and neither are you. I just follow what 90 percent of the scientists say.
But in your defense, the guys who went to the moon brought back some green glass like stuff, each the size if a period. after all these yrs the found h2o in them, which cals into question the theory that something the size of mars hit the earth and created the moon, because no water would be on the moon if that happened.
then again, these green things could have come from meteors.
that's the difference between theory and fact.
are humans contributing to GW? As of right now, the theory is yes. I'll go with what the majority thinks.
your theory is not accepted by the majority, which makes it weak. | In other words, you don't know what the hell you are talking about, but you will continue to speak from your ass. That really isn't suprising, considering that's what you do 100% of the time.
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07-12-2008, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sealybobo all the pollution coming out of cars and and companies isn't the problem? its water vapors? your sources are conservative sources. sorry.
( I ) this is me walking away.
I'm no expert on this and neither are you. I just follow what 90 percent of the scientists say.
But in your defense, the guys who went to the moon brought back some green glass like stuff, each the size if a period. after all these yrs the found h2o in them, which cals into question the theory that something the size of mars hit the earth and created the moon, because no water would be on the moon if that happened.
then again, these green things could have come from meteors.
that's the difference between theory and fact.
are humans contributing to GW? As of right now, the theory is yes. I'll go with what the majority thinks.
your theory is not accepted by the majority, which makes it weak. | TES - Tropospheric Emission Spectrometer - Science: Greenhouse Gases
"Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas"
I guess NASA is a biased conservative source huh???? Yale Climate Media Forum - COMMON CLIMATE MISCONCEPTIONS: The Water Vapor Feedback
You should really do some research before spouting off about uncredible and conservative sources....
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07-12-2008, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sealybobo what you guys are saying might be right, but you are still wrong if you think all the companies and cars in the world aren't hurting the planet.
one day we will wipe ourselves out but the planet will live on.
or it might be a mega volcano or meteor. | And how would you suggest a meteor has anything to do with global climate change? Or even a volcano for that matter.
You are too confusing to even understand. YOu sit there and argue that humans are causing global warming, then say you're not an expert on the subject and don't know much, then turn around and say, or maybe a volcano or meteor. You have no clue what you are talking about %95 of the time, and it shows pretty clear.
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07-13-2008, 10:21 AM
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I think that is not in dispute, right?
So the question is, what is causing the rise in temperature, yes?
And if we can answer that question, then the next logical question is, is there anything humankind can actually do about it?
Therein is the debte, I think, yes?
Now we know that C02 and water vapor are both greenhouse gases, yes?
Can we do anything about naturally occurring water vapor?
No?
Can we do anything about the CO2 we pout into the air?
Yes?
Then, if we're agreed that CO2 is at least part of the problem, does it make sense to consider doing SOMETHING about the greenhouse gas which we can, to some extent control?
If your answer to that is no, then please explain why you think we should not be at least attempting to cut down on a known greenhouse gas which we spew into our atmosphere. | 
07-13-2008, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by editec Does anyone here believe that the overall global temperature is NOT rising?
I think that is not in dispute, right?
So the question is, what is causing the rise in temperature, yes?
And if we can answer that question, then the next logical question is, is there anything humankind can actually do about it?
Therein is the debte, I think, yes?
Now we know that C02 and water vapor are both greenhouse gases, yes?
Can we do anything about naturally occurring water vapor?
No?
Can we do anything about the CO2 we pout into the air?
Yes?
Then, if we're agreed that CO2 is at least part of the problem, does it make sense to consider doing SOMETHING about the greenhouse gas which we can, to some extent control?
If your answer to that is no, then please explain why you think we should not be at least attempting to cut down on a known greenhouse gas which we spew into our atmosphere. | I don't believe that the increase of CO2 and the increase in temperature are directly correlated. http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
Solar activity and U.S. surface temperature are closely correlated,
as shown in Figure 5, but U.S. surface temperature and world hydrocarbon
use are not correlated, as shown in Figure 13.
The U.S. temperature trend is so slight that, were the temperature change which has taken place during the 20th and 21st centuries to
occur in an ordinary room, most of the people in the room would be
unaware of it.
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07-13-2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jreeves I don't believe that the increase of CO2 and the increase in temperature are directly correlated. http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
Solar activity and U.S. surface temperature are closely correlated,
as shown in Figure 5, but U.S. surface temperature and world hydrocarbon
use are not correlated, as shown in Figure 13.
The U.S. temperature trend is so slight that, were the temperature change which has taken place during the 20th and 21st centuries to
occur in an ordinary room, most of the people in the room would be
unaware of it. | More bogus crap from the "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine."
Read more about it here.... Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - SourceWatch | 
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Originally Posted by Kirk | Oh I see you can't dispute the facts that they use. So therefore, if they don't agree with your viewpoint the collaberation of 31,000 scientist is flawed. What is bogus about there conclusions, that they don't agree with the GW alarmist? 
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