Originally Posted by Kirk

Everything posted below is a fact. Your post is just insults.


California is experiencing its driest year on record. Over 800 square miles of California forests have burned so far, and the real fire season doesn't even start until late July. Most of the North Pole has melted. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has risen by one third in the last 200 years. CO2 is now at the highest level ever recorded, and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years. Every year we pump 8 billion metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, and that number is rising as China and India industrialize.
Most of the "scientists" who were global warming deniers turned out to be paid by Exxon and the Petroleum Institute. Two years ago Exxon realized they were wrong and stopped funding those scientists. Still, some people continue to parrot them. Even Bush the Lesser now believes in global warming.

Originally Posted by BrianH

Fair enough...all above may be fact...but the one thing that is not a fact posted above is AGW....That my friend, is a theory. You know it, as well as every other AGW alarmist. It has not been proven. And your assumption that most scientists who disagree with global warming are paid by Exxon is also not a fact. Do you have any idea how many scientists their are in this world...what kind of projection would it be to assume that the ones that disagree with AGW are funded by Exxon? AGW has not been proven. You are posting statistics and assuming that it correlates, while continually ignored FACT that all the planets in the solar system are warming, as well as projections that circulation in the arctic could be the cause for its melting. You are just like TGS, you assume all you have to say is %100 fact, and anyone who disagrees is a liar who's paid by oil companies.

Originally Posted by Kirk

AGW is not a theory. CO2 in the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas. Greenhouse gases cause the earth to retain heat. NO ONE disputes that. We have increased the amount of CO2 in the earth's atmosphere by one third in the last 200 years. NO ONE disputes that. We are pumping 8 billion metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year. NO ONE disputes that. The question is, how much does this massive increase in CO2 warm the earth? You say it doesn't at all. The vast majority of climatologists say it does. Who should I believe?

Originally Posted by Kirk

Those quotes are 4 years old....

Let's review shall we.....

California is experiencing its driest year on record. Over 800 square miles of California forests have burned so far, and the real fire season doesn't even start until late July. Most of the North Pole has melted. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has risen by one third in the last 200 years. CO2 is now at the highest level ever recorded, and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years. Every year we pump 8 billion metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, and that number is rising as China and India industrialize.
Most of the "scientists" who were global warming deniers turned out to be paid by Exxon and the Petroleum Institute. Two years ago Exxon realized they were wrong and stopped funding those scientists. Still, some people continue to parrot them. Even Bush the Lesser now believes in global warming.

Originally Posted by editec

How refreshingly devoid of malice and rancor that post is.

Yes, Bush II finally admitted that Global warming was real.
He sage advise?

"I guess we'll all just have to get used to global warming"

That man has a mind like a steel trap, folks.

He's not just the decider, he's one hell of a problem solver, too.

Originally Posted by BrianH

No Kirk, I have never said that CO2 does not cause any warming of the earth. You claim that humans are causing global warming by the amount of CO2 they've put in the atmosphere. Considering the earth has warmed numerous times before (whether CO2 initiated or not), that doesn't mean that it's caused by humans. Look up pine-beetles. LIke I've said a million times before on these boards, I do believe the earth may be warming, and I do believe that humans do contribute to green-house gases, but they are not the main source or the main cause of the warming of the earth. You are attributing way too much to humans when the earth's climate has changed dozens of times without human help. You cannot PROVE that humans are causing global warming.

Originally Posted by BrianH

No Kirk, I have never said that CO2 does not cause any warming of the earth. You claim that humans are causing global warming by the amount of CO2 they've put in the atmosphere. Considering the earth has warmed numerous times before (whether CO2 initiated or not), that doesn't mean that it's caused by humans. Look up pine-beetles. LIke I've said a million times before on these boards, I do believe the earth may be warming, and I do believe that humans do contribute to green-house gases, but they are not the main source or the main cause of the warming of the earth. You are attributing way too much to humans when the earth's climate has changed dozens of times without human help. You cannot PROVE that humans are causing global warming.

Originally Posted by Kirk

You cannot prove that CO2 is not the source of global warming either. The only other thing that could cause the earth to heat so quickly is the sun, and the Stanford University solar scientists report that the sun has not increased its radiation enough to cause the degree of warming we are seeing.

The scientists who study climate are convinced that this warming is man-made. There are a few who disagree, but the vast majority are in agreement. They can use computers to build climate models that can tell them what a one third increase in CO2 will do. And don't be fooled. This is just the beginning. We are actually increasing our output of CO2.

We melted the North Pole in 50 short years for Christ's sake!

Originally Posted by sealybobo

look at you arguing for global warming. sorta reminds me of when the gop made dems argue against guns. you'll never win this argument. the "scientific community" as a whole agree we are ruining the planet. one way is with co2/global warming.

your party doesn't even believe in science. ie evolution.

so what do your "scientists" say about evolution?

I bet your scientists work for big corporations.

but keep arguing. this is a wedge issue we don't mind because it makes you seem brainwashed.

is there anything the gop says that you don't agree with?

silly little man.

Originally Posted by BrianH

All I have done, was refuse to believe something that you can't prove.

And as far as the sun goes...

"In what could be the simplest explanation for one component of global warming, a new study shows the Sun's radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late 1970s"

SPACE.com -- Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming

National Policy Analysis #203: Sun to Blame for Global Warming - June 1998

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

Originally Posted by Kirk

Here's an excellent article on the subject of global warming and drought in the Western U.S.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/ma...21water-t.html

Originally Posted by Kirk

When questioned in 1998, OISM's Arthur Robinson admitted that only 2,100 signers of the Oregon Petition had identified themselves as physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, or meteorologists, "and of those the greatest number are physicists." This grouping of fields concealed the fact that only a few dozen, at most, of the signatories were drawn from the core disciplines of climate science - such as meteorology, oceanography, and glaciology - and almost none were climate specialists. The names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all. When the Oregon Petition first circulated, in fact, environmental activists successfully added the names of several fictional characters and celebrities to the list, including John Grisham, Michael J. Fox, Drs. Frank Burns, B. J. Honeycutt, and Benjamin Pierce (from the TV show M*A*S*H), an individual by the name of "Dr. Red Wine," and Geraldine Halliwell, formerly known as pop singer Ginger Spice of the Spice Girls. Halliwell's field of scientific specialization was listed as "biology." Even in 2003, the list was loaded with misspellings, duplications, name and title fragments, and names of non-persons, such as company names.

OISM has refused to release info on the number of mailings it made. From comments in Nature:

"Virtually every scientist in every field got it," says Robert Park, a professor of physics at the University of Maryland at College Park and spokesman for the American Physical Society. "That's a big mailing." According to the National Science Foundation, there are more than half a million science or engineering PhDs in the United States, and ten million individuals with first degrees in science or engineering.

Originally Posted by Kirk

When questioned in 1998, OISM's Arthur Robinson admitted that only 2,100 signers of the Oregon Petition had identified themselves as physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, or meteorologists, "and of those the greatest number are physicists." This grouping of fields concealed the fact that only a few dozen, at most, of the signatories were drawn from the core disciplines of climate science - such as meteorology, oceanography, and glaciology - and almost none were climate specialists. The names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all. When the Oregon Petition first circulated, in fact, environmental activists successfully added the names of several fictional characters and celebrities to the list, including John Grisham, Michael J. Fox, Drs. Frank Burns, B. J. Honeycutt, and Benjamin Pierce (from the TV show M*A*S*H), an individual by the name of "Dr. Red Wine," and Geraldine Halliwell, formerly known as pop singer Ginger Spice of the Spice Girls. Halliwell's field of scientific specialization was listed as "biology." Even in 2003, the list was loaded with misspellings, duplications, name and title fragments, and names of non-persons, such as company names.

OISM has refused to release info on the number of mailings it made. From comments in Nature:

"Virtually every scientist in every field got it," says Robert Park, a professor of physics at the University of Maryland at College Park and spokesman for the American Physical Society. "That's a big mailing." According to the National Science Foundation, there are more than half a million science or engineering PhDs in the United States, and ten million individuals with first degrees in science or engineering.

Originally Posted by Kirk

You cannot prove that CO2 is not the source of global warming either. The only other thing that could cause the earth to heat so quickly is the sun, and the Stanford University solar scientists report that the sun has not increased its radiation enough to cause the degree of warming we are seeing.

The scientists who study climate are convinced that this warming is man-made. There are a few who disagree, but the vast majority are in agreement. They can use computers to build climate models that can tell them what a one third increase in CO2 will do. And don't be fooled. This is just the beginning. We are actually increasing our output of CO2.

We melted the North Pole in 50 short years for Christ's sake!

Originally Posted by jreeves

Why is it you never cite the source for your information, isn't that against board rules?