Weather Channel Owner Suing Al Gore For Fraud....

I don’t get it. What did Gore do? Isn’t he just a man giving his opinion? While I think that “An Inconvenient Truth” is “full of hot air” (pardon the pun), doesn’t this fall under the category of “buyer beware”? Is Gore forcing people to do things on the issue of global warming?

What if I tell someone I think that he is causing too much pollution and needs to recycle? He follows my request but then decides that he was not causing too much pollution. He can’t sue me, can he? I must be missing a key point because as I see it, individuals are ultimately responsible for the decisions that they make. It might be different if legislation was enacted based on “global warming” but then would the defendant be the US government?

Help me out here.

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LOL...I'm not quite sure what the thread is about anymore either. My OP was that it would be interesting to see what came out of this...The owner stated in the article that since he couldn't get a debate, he wanted to sue so that the debate could be forced to take place...in a civil court. I agree that it'll never go anywhere, and that suing for money is rediculous because it is a "buyer beware" situation. I just stated that it would be interesting to see what happens if a debate were to happen (you know, what kind of "evidence" would be brought forth by both sides)...but some seemed to have taken it a bit too seriously and started debated global warming--which I included myself with.

You're actually quite far from the truth there.
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"Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes"
That's all volcanoes combined, not just one volcanic eruption.

I'm curious, but does that change your mind in the slightest, about the impact of humans on the globe?

THE COWS FARTING DID IT.............................

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That's pretty interesting. I may have been wrong about that then...
however, I still do not believe that humans have contributed as much as people say. I do believe that humans have contributed...but history shows that the earth has a history of climate change before the large-scale burning of fossil-fuels. The earth was a ball of ice (ice age) at one time, then the ice started melting. Was it humans causing the ice to melt? No, it was climate change. The Ice caps at our poles maybe be the last reminence of the ice age IMO. My father-in-law lives about 20 miles inland from the Gulf-of Mexico and farms cotton and milo. When he plows his fields, he digs up oyster shells in the middle of a dirt field, 20 miles inland. Many other farmers experienec this also. This make me assume that at one time, the place where he lives was once covered by the ocean, which means that the water level was like this befoer the ice age. I just feel that the extreme warming is caused by natural climate change. (Sure we contribute, but we're not causing it by far)

Global warming is fake?

What?

prove it isn't.

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No one is saying that Global Warming is fake...

The earth was a ball of ice at one time (FACT).
It's obvious that the ice had melted and the earth is no longer one big ball of ice. (FACT).
What caused it?
Were humans burning fossil fuels at the end of the ice age? No
The Ice began to melt naturally due to cyclical climate change.
IMO, the earth is still (on a larger scale) warming since the end of the Ice Age.

This is just my opinion. But based on factual information.

I'm sure that humans are contributing to Global Warming, there's no doubt about that....but I don't think we started it by any means, and so far, no one has come out with an actual reason for global warming.

The onus is on you to disprove the conclusions of over 2000 independent lines of evidence saying human emissions are the sole cause.

That's the way it works.

Political rhetoric does not work on this issue, though you may try. The science wins out every time.

I think you're confused as to the claims of the credible scientific community. They have never - ever - argued the Earth has not warmed before. Please be clear on that.

The claim is that the the rate of warming is unprecented due to the rapid increase in CO2 from human emissions.

There are three claims the credible climate science community has proposed. The first, is that the Earth is warming. The second is that humans are the cause. And the third is that fossil fuel combusiton/ human emissons is the reason.

Over 2000 lines of independent lines of evidence found in peer-reviewed scientific academic journals have made this conclusion.

Yeah I know...but where's the proof that CO2 is increasingly warming the earth? It's just speculation, they have no proof. CO2 is naturally in the environment. Every human, mammal on earth releases CO2 when they exhale....it's natural. They have not shown proof that it is CO2 that's causing it.

No it is not speculation, not even close sir. The conclusions are derived from from over 2000 lines of independent evidence found in peer-reviewed scientific academic journals.

I have an intimate knowledge of this issue. I am up for providing the resources or explaining to you as best as I can any questions you may have regarding Co2 emissions/global warming and the empirical evidence to back it up.

First claim: The Earth is warming: "How do we know the earth is warming?"

The answer is because Global warming is a conclusion based on observations of many global indicators.

The most straightforward evidence is the actual surface temperature record. These are the two most reputable globally and seasonally averaged temperature trend analyses:

NASA GISS direct surface temperature analysis(http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/), and CRU direct surface temperature analysis(http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/).

Both trends are definitely and significantly up.

In addition to direct measurements of surface temperature, there are many other measurements and indicators that support the claim that the earth is currently undergoing. The following empirical observations lead to the same conclusion - that the earth is warming: Satellite data, radiosondes, borehole analysis, glacial melt observations, sea ice melt, sea level rise, proxy reconstructions and permafrost melt.

Yes, there has been "proof."

First, remember that there is no "proof" in science -- that is a property of mathematics. In science, what matters is the balance of evidence, and theories that can explain that evidence. Where possible, scientists make predictions and design experiments to confirm, modify, or contradict their theories, and must modify these theories as new information comes in.

In the case of anthropogenic global warming, there is a theory (first conceived over 100 years ago) based on well-established laws of physics. It is consistent with mountains of observation and data, both contemporary and historical. It is supported by sophisticated, refined global climate models that can successfully reproduce the climate's behavior over the last century.

Given the lack of any extra planet Earths and a few really large time machines, it is simply impossible to do any better than this.


Here's a question directed to all the skeptics...what observations or evidence would you consider "proof" that global warming is caused by rising CO2 levels?

THat's my problem with global warming....because it cannot be proven...I cannot buy it. I believe the globe is warming...but since scintists have not tracked the warming of the earth until recently, how are they sure that the globe didn't once warm at a rapid race like today?? THey don't have records that can even indicate the rate of warming in the old days or in prehistory. This is why I'm skeptical...sure, the globe is warming, and I'm sure humans are contributing to it, but I cannot be convinced that we have sped it up.