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02-28-2008, 05:57 AM
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By MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER, Associated Press Writer
27 minutes ago
STAFFORD, Kan. - Whooping cranes have waged a valiant fight against extinction, but federal officials warn of a new potential threat to the endangered birds: wind farms.
Down to about 15 in 1941, the gargantuan birds that migrate each fall from Canada to Texas now number 266, thanks to conservation efforts.
But because wind energy has gained such traction, whooping cranes could again be at risk — either from crashing into the towering wind turbines and transmission lines or because of habitat lost to the wind farms.
"Basically you can overlay the strongest, best areas for wind turbine development with the whooping crane migration corridor," said Tom Stehn, whooping crane coordinator for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
more ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080228/..._vs_wind_farms | The ultimate liberal dilemna ... green power vs ecology preservation. 
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02-28-2008, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnyL  The ultimate liberal dilemna ... green power vs ecology preservation. | Solar power is the solution. Or perhaps you prefer to completely destroy our ecology with fossil fuels and nuclear waste?
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02-28-2008, 05:16 PM
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02-28-2008, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Taomon Solar power is the solution. Or perhaps you prefer to completely destroy our ecology with fossil fuels and nuclear waste? | Perhaps you'd prefer to stop your incessant assuming a stance for others?
Solar power is a solution to nothing.
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02-28-2008, 10:20 PM
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Rep Power: 20 | | | [quote=Toro;652940]I vote for wind power...f#@k the whooping- god -dam crane !...god dam..........fu#%kin whooping cranes........
sorry toro couldn't resist......
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02-28-2008, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Toro I vote for wind power...f#@k the whooping- god -dam crane !...god dam..........fu#%kin whooping cranes........
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Wind power is far more efficient than solar power. Both are more efficient at producing energy than whooping cranes are. 
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Wind power is far more efficient than solar power. Both are more efficient at producing energy than whooping cranes are. | LOL...
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Wind power is far more efficient than solar power. Both are more efficient at producing energy than whooping cranes are. | Boone Pickens was on CNBC a few days ago saying you could build wind farms from Texas to the Canadian border.
Go for it, I say.
The wind farms around Palm Springs are amazing to see.
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02-29-2008, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by GunnyL Perhaps you'd prefer to stop your incessant assuming a stance for others?
Solar power is a solution to nothing. | Unlimited sources of energy are not solutions? Oh right, no one can get rich on unlimited energy.
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Originally Posted by Taomon Unlimited sources of energy are not solutions? Oh right, no one can get rich on unlimited energy. | Solar power is not unlimited. Unless you have figured out the slight problem of how to set up solar panels in space and beam the energy to earth.
However, I notice that report of making Hydrogen at 250 percent of the energy input has slipped silently out of the news.
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02-29-2008, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Taomon Unlimited sources of energy are not solutions? Oh right, no one can get rich on unlimited energy. | Solar power is not unlimited. It is contingent upon weather mainly. I'd think someone from Maine, or MA or wherever it is you live up in Popsicleland would understand that simple concept.
RGS is correct ... the Earth's atmosphere would have to be overcome as the main obstacle to making solar power a consistent and viable energy source.
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02-29-2008, 01:34 PM
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Rep Power: 44 | | | Yes, someone will become rich because the infrastructure will have to be set up in order to obtain the energy. And NO, there's nothing wrong with someone having the ingenuity and wherewithall to make this happen. It's called capitalism.
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Originally Posted by GunnyL
Boone Pickens was on CNBC a few days ago saying you could build wind farms from Texas to the Canadian border.
Go for it, I say.
The wind farms around Palm Springs are amazing to see.
| Um how long do you think them generators gonna last in tornado alley.....................  
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Rep Power: 12 | | Wind generators COULD be a great thing.........................that is of course if they actually apply the energy where it's actually produced, to create cheaper energy costs so that areas can flourish and produce things cheaper.................instead of the current/currant power theft and price gouged deregulated horseshit they're pulling.......................while actually employing people to count dead birds.......................... 
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Originally Posted by GunnyL Solar power is not unlimited. It is contingent upon weather mainly. I'd think someone from Maine, or MA or wherever it is you live up in Popsicleland would understand that simple concept.
RGS is correct ... the Earth's atmosphere would have to be overcome as the main obstacle to making solar power a consistent and viable energy source. | Wrong, there is plenty of desert, plains, and southern areas where solar panel farms can be set up to collect energy from the sun. We would generate electricty and store that in batteries for the whole country to use.
The sun is an unlimited source of energy. If there were no sun, there would not be a need for energy because we would not exist. It is that simple.
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