What an absolutely pathetic crock this is. If "the world" doesn't need us, then WTF are they whining about? We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Piss on all of 'em.

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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” - Edmund Burke

You can't have a successful peace conference on your block if the biggest kid on the block won't participate. That's all it is. The US is - so far - the biggest contributor to the problem (soon it will be China and probably then India) but won't be part of the resolution. It's okay though, we know it's just your government doing it.

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Umm I suggest you check facts, the majority of American voters DO NOT want this crap. If and when someone actually bothers to provide a real link between man and global warming, you might get movement. IF and WHEN you "blokes" include China, India and EVERY FUCKING BODY else you might get movement.

I think it is past time to do to you people what you claim we do anyway. Kick out the UN, retaliate in kind to France and the EU when ev er they target American Busimess , commerce or agriculture and respnd in kind when piss ant Countries tell us what bullies we are.

No more foreign aid to Countries that think we are evil. No more humatiarian aid to the world that can not wait to whine bitch and moan about the US. FUCK you all. Remind us in 5 years whether or not Australia actually even lives up to Kyoto. No one else has, especially Europe.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

So 'we' are the convenient excuse for no action. That's cool. Let China, India, South America, Mexico go, blaming the US, which has a higher rate of cutting pollutants than the rest of you Kyoto babies.

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"We are fighting today for our life, for our liberty, for our all, we cannot go on being led as we are. Somehow or other, we must get into the Government men who can match our enemies in fighting spirit, in daring, in resolution and in thirst for victory."~Leo Amery 1940, while staring at Chamberlain

No, I didn't say that. I said that if the US doesn't get involved then it won't encourage the others (and I am thinking of China and India). It's not sackcloth and ashes here, just looking for a consensus that everyone can live with.

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Oh, boo fucking hoo.

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I've seen the wild horses, I've heard the bull roarers

Except your the ones actually crying. So bad you think making threats will help.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

China will do whatever it must to become the next dominant superpower, especially if it can get away with it at the expense of the U.S.

India is just trying to get itself together. The craziest thing about the whole worldwide-global-warming-team-up-agreement thing is that in order for it to work, third-world nations that need a robust, fossil-fuel burning economy to prosper are told that they must stay where they are.
Those uppity Africans should really know where their place is for the betterment of the world, shouldn't they?

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"...comfort is the one thing you cannot get by looking for it. If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end: if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth--only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin with and, in the end, despair."
C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

Who exactly is saying the world doesn't need the US?

Got a link to the "majority of American voters"? And the US will follow once everyone else does? So much for American leadership.

Its amazing how the incredibly stupid views of isolationism are making a comeback in America today.

Link please?

Change of administration will work wonders. Once the oil interests are out of the White House and someone not beholden to vested interests is in there then we might see some informed action.

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That's true. And it's NOT a good thing. But no-one is telling the US to sacrifice its interests, just to join in the debate constructively.

It's funny to see the concerns being expressed for India and Africa just popping up now. Yeah, we should all stand back and let the developing nations pollute the Earth like we have, I mean it's only fair, right? We did it, so they should be allowed to join in. Nope, that won't fly and that's why we need a global debate.

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I've seen the wild horses, I've heard the bull roarers

Pray tell, how does a developing nation become economically viable without coal or nuclear electricity, oil-fueled trains, trucks, and automobiles, petroleum-based plastics, and other evil stuff like that? How does any first-world nation maintain its quality of life without these things?

The real interests behind this movement is anti-humanitarian, Gaiaist, Socialist nonsense devised to impoversh the world so that certain people can be the saviors of mankind, gobbling all the power without pesky things like sovereignty and economic freedom getting in the way.

Unfortunatly, those who don't give a flying cat dook about the rules like Russia, China, Iran, and others will conquer their corners of the world and enslave us all.

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"...comfort is the one thing you cannot get by looking for it. If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end: if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth--only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin with and, in the end, despair."
C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

Nuclear energy does not put much CO2 in the air, if any. And yes, quality of life will have to go down.

Pssh, nonsense. You've just created a list of "evils" and said they are behind this as if its all a grand conspiracy.

Err wasn't it you who said pessimism was a drug or some such thing? This seems wildly over pessimistic.