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Quote: Originally Posted by FactFinder Widely available and easily transported:
This could make us energy independent with a few years. The graph is in billions of cubic feet. so add nine (9) zeros to the numbers. There are many problems with this.
1. It will not bankrupt the USA and that is what the Liberal/Marxist need.
2. This will not raise energy prices
3. Without higher energy prices its harder to make people dependent on government
4. If people are not dependent on government Liberalism/Marxism can fail.
5. Useing fossil fuels directly to make electricity is greener than windmills, and less polluting.
I could go on, natural gas will be taxed to prevent its use. With only weak energy sources like solar, wind, and geothermal, we will lose more industry.
Electric rates are already too high, over 200 bucks a month for one of my freinds, others pay even more. I pay less because I am never home.
So go ahead dumb asses, support green energy, you will have to pay a lot more and you will be polluting the earth and using up the natural resources faster and that is exactly what the liberal/marxist/environuts want. They want to destroy the world, just read what they say, they hate people, from abortion to turning corn into ethanol, Liberal/Marxist/Environuts want to hurt people, its that clear.
Old Crock, I already addressed, the guy is either real stupid or knows eventually I will get tired, the environut does not even address any post that discredits his post, hell, over and over you can take Old Crocks sources and prove old crock wrong.
What a joke, but that is why they are environuts, its all about telling big lies to the public so they make money and we suffer, so they are in power and we suffer. | 
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Rep Power: 7 | | Where is Old Crock in this thread, Old Crock you keep useing the same source you used here you are using in other threads. So why hide Old Crock. Where is your rebuttal. I guess you know you cannot support your dumb idea that geothermal is a good idea. Geothermal is a power source used for a hundred years, a mature technology that has reached is peak, a complete waste of money
This thread and LOL in environment are the same, check out how Old Crock in LOL shows geothermal to be extremely expensive, polluting and unreliable. Thanks Old Crock, you are your own worst enemy. Lol
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Rep Power: 7 | | | In this thread I have posted fact after fact after fact and now JD2B posts lies about all my posts claiming I dont present facts. Should I start a new thread and ignore this one. Hell we are still talking about the same subject so why a new thread on the same subject, why ignore this thread with all the information, all the links, all the facts.
The damned morons wish to ignore all the facts posted and start a thread simply stating "green energy is gold", what happens when I post in those, this thread is ignored until its gone.
This is the relevant thread, this thread is ignored, the morons start a new thread without facts.
Is this the debate and why we have are going green, because morons WILL NOT THINK OR DO HOMEWORK | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by mdn2000
Quote: Originally Posted by FactFinder Widely available and easily transported:
This could make us energy independent with a few years. The graph is in billions of cubic feet. so add nine (9) zeros to the numbers. There are many problems with this.
1. It will not bankrupt the USA and that is what the Liberal/Marxist need.
2. This will not raise energy prices
3. Without higher energy prices its harder to make people dependent on government
4. If people are not dependent on government Liberalism/Marxism can fail.
5. Useing fossil fuels directly to make electricity is greener than windmills, and less polluting.
I could go on, natural gas will be taxed to prevent its use. With only weak energy sources like solar, wind, and geothermal, we will lose more industry.
Electric rates are already too high, over 200 bucks a month for one of my freinds, others pay even more. I pay less because I am never home.
So go ahead dumb asses, support green energy, you will have to pay a lot more and you will be polluting the earth and using up the natural resources faster and that is exactly what the liberal/marxist/environuts want. They want to destroy the world, just read what they say, they hate people, from abortion to turning corn into ethanol, Liberal/Marxist/Environuts want to hurt people, its that clear.
Old Crock, I already addressed, the guy is either real stupid or knows eventually I will get tired, the environut does not even address any post that discredits his post, hell, over and over you can take Old Crocks sources and prove old crock wrong.
What a joke, but that is why they are environuts, its all about telling big lies to the public so they make money and we suffer, so they are in power and we suffer. I have never paid very much for natural gas, and I used it for heating my home for many many years.
You are a psycho.. Quote: Where is Old Crock in this thread, Old Crock you keep useing the same source you used here you are using in other threads. So why hide Old Crock. Where is your re buttal. I guess you know you cannot support your dumb idea that geothermal is a good idea. Geothermal is a power source used for a hundred years, a mature technology that has reached is peak, a complete waste of money
This thread and LOL in environment are the same, check out how Old Crock in LOL shows geothermal to be extremely expensive, polluting and unreliable. Thanks Old Crock, you are your own worst enemy. Lol Sorry, but a USMB thread is not a SOURCE. And yes- you are hard-up for Old Rocks. Stop stalking him, and then jacking off at all his posts, freak.
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Quote: Originally Posted by mdn2000
Quote: Originally Posted by KittenKoder *yawn* No you're whining.
You talking to me Yes.  But not too seriously, otherwise I would have said more. I don't disagree with your points. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by JD_2B
Quote: Originally Posted by mdn2000
Quote: Originally Posted by FactFinder Widely available and easily transported:
This could make us energy independent with a few years. The graph is in billions of cubic feet. so add nine (9) zeros to the numbers. There are many problems with this.
1. It will not bankrupt the USA and that is what the Liberal/Marxist need.
2. This will not raise energy prices
3. Without higher energy prices its harder to make people dependent on government
4. If people are not dependent on government Liberalism/Marxism can fail.
5. Useing fossil fuels directly to make electricity is greener than windmills, and less polluting.
I could go on, natural gas will be taxed to prevent its use. With only weak energy sources like solar, wind, and geothermal, we will lose more industry.
Electric rates are already too high, over 200 bucks a month for one of my freinds, others pay even more. I pay less because I am never home.
So go ahead dumb asses, support green energy, you will have to pay a lot more and you will be polluting the earth and using up the natural resources faster and that is exactly what the liberal/marxist/environuts want. They want to destroy the world, just read what they say, they hate people, from abortion to turning corn into ethanol, Liberal/Marxist/Environuts want to hurt people, its that clear.
Old Crock, I already addressed, the guy is either real stupid or knows eventually I will get tired, the environut does not even address any post that discredits his post, hell, over and over you can take Old Crocks sources and prove old crock wrong.
What a joke, but that is why they are environuts, its all about telling big lies to the public so they make money and we suffer, so they are in power and we suffer. I have never paid very much for natural gas, and I used it for heating my home for many many years.
You are a psycho.. Quote: Where is Old Crock in this thread, Old Crock you keep useing the same source you used here you are using in other threads. So why hide Old Crock. Where is your re buttal. I guess you know you cannot support your dumb idea that geothermal is a good idea. Geothermal is a power source used for a hundred years, a mature technology that has reached is peak, a complete waste of money
This thread and LOL in environment are the same, check out how Old Crock in LOL shows geothermal to be extremely expensive, polluting and unreliable. Thanks Old Crock, you are your own worst enemy. Lol Sorry, but a USMB thread is not a SOURCE. And yes- you are hard-up for Old Rocks. Stop stalking him, and then jacking off at all his posts, freak. How come you follow and lick it all up? You are the vixen, mmm, mmm, good. It is nice to see I have a vixen stalker as nasty and dirty as you. | 
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Old Crock does not read Old Crock's sources, I have now used Old Crock's sources six times to show Old Crock does not know what he is talking about. | 
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Rep Power: 75 | | Tiny town takes geothermal lead « Daily Journal of Commerce
The southern Oregon city of Paisley, best known for its annual mosquito festival, could soon add another distinction: the site of the state’s first commercial geothermal electricity plant. The federal Department of Energy awarded the project a $2 million grant.
Lake County is flush with underground hot water. Sometimes, it bubbles to the surface, as it does at the Summer Lake Hot Springs resort.
Other times, farmers tap into it when drilling irrigation wells. That happened on the property of Mark and Erin Douglas, where the power plant would be built.
“We drilled it in 1980-81,” Erin Douglas said, “My grandpa did, and he talked to people then” about using the water for a power plant.
“It wasn’t hot enough or enough flow to make sense then,” she said. | 
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Rep Power: 75 | | Oregon campus seeks global first on geothermal power - North America - Renewable energy news - Recharge - wind, solar, biofuels, wave/tidal/hydro and geothermal
Oregon campus seeks global first on geothermal power
By yearend, Oregon Institute of Technology (OIT) aims to become the world’s first campus entirely powered from a geothermal energy source on its property, officials say.
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Pratt & Whitney Power Systems, a unit of United Technologies, has delivered an emissions-free PureCycle power system that will harness heat from geothermal hot water to generate electricity.
That system will produce 20% of the institute’s campus electricity demand, saving the school about $100,000 annually. It will be the first geothermal power production facility in Oregon.
Pratt & Whitney officials say the PureCycle unit can operate with water at temperatures as low as 195 degrees Fahrenheit to generate electrical power around the clock.
Klamath Falls, where OIT is located, has extensive geothermal resources.
Pratt & Whitney is expected to provide additional power systems to bring the campus to a “NetZero” energy user by yearend.
The school offers a degree in Renewable Energy Engineering and will use the geothermal power plant as a teaching tool and hands-on laboratory for OIT students.
"This is an important addition to our campus academic programs that will better prepare our students to perform in the real world," says John Lund, director of Geo-Heat Center at the Institute. | 
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Rep Power: 75 | | City of Klamath Falls :: Geothermal Utility
Geothermal Utility
The City of Klamath Falls Geothermal Utility provides cost effective heating services utilizing a renewable, non-polluting "green" resource. The City of Klamath Falls is located in a Known Geothermal Resource Area (KGRA). Utilizing geothermal water supplied from wells producing 200-220 degree water, the City operates a geothermal utility system which provides heating services to commercial and government buildings throughout the downtown core area as well as geothermal sidewalk and bridge snow melt systems. The sidewalk and bridge snow melt systems provide safety and convenience throughout the winter months that would not be obtainable without low cost geothermal energy.
A significant benefit of geothermal heating is the reduced energy costs compared to alternate heating sources. As other heating sources continue to experience substantial cost increases, the cost of providing geothermal heat remains low along with providing a much higher heating efficiency than other heat sources.
Contact Information | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Old Rocks City of Klamath Falls :: Geothermal Utility
Geothermal Utility
The City of Klamath Falls Geothermal Utility provides cost effective heating services utilizing a renewable, non-polluting "green" resource. The City of Klamath Falls is located in a Known Geothermal Resource Area (KGRA). Utilizing geothermal water supplied from wells producing 200-220 degree water, the City operates a geothermal utility system which provides heating services to commercial and government buildings throughout the downtown core area as well as geothermal sidewalk and bridge snow melt systems. The sidewalk and bridge snow melt systems provide safety and convenience throughout the winter months that would not be obtainable without low cost geothermal energy.
A significant benefit of geothermal heating is the reduced energy costs compared to alternate heating sources. As other heating sources continue to experience substantial cost increases, the cost of providing geothermal heat remains low along with providing a much higher heating efficiency than other heat sources.
Contact Information Another press release Old Crock, how much does this project cost, how much is the total spent so far so that 20,000 people can have subsidized energy.
so once again we are expected to prove Old Crock's endless useless links as invalid.
another press release.
As near as I can tell with some quick searches this is 99% funded by a Tax grab
Well over $55,000,000, thats a massive amount of money to give to such a tiny population. | 
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Rep Power: 7 | | What nerve, what gall, prick, A university is going to save 100k by spending millions of dollars.
So many hidden costs. During the summer of 1983 the following research was all done with taxpayer money, this cost is not included, it is one of the hidden costs. http://www.osti.gov/geothermal/servl...KLm/894594.pdf Quote: During the summer of 1983, investigators from several institutions collaborated in an intensive study
of the geothermal resource at Klamath Falls. Funded largely by grants from the U.S. Department of
Energy (DOE), scientists from Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (LBL), Stanford University, and the
Oregon Institute of Technology (OIT) were co-investigators under the terms of a proposal submitted
to DOE by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS). Participation by USGS personnel was funded by
the USGS Geothermal Research Program.
The work included tracer studies by Stanford University, a pumping and injection test by LBL,
temperature studies and collection of aquifer-discharge and use data by OIT, and sampling for
chemical analysis by USGS.
The principal objectives of the investigation, as stated in the proposal to DOE, was to acquire "from
the shallow geothermal reservoir at Klamath Falls... chemical and hydraulic data on which to base
predictions of reservoir performance, and an evaluation of potential for development." The major
purpose "is to provide interested parties in Klamath Falls with scientific data to be used to evaluate
alterative for the future of the geothermal resource; a second purpose is to assess potential impacts
of possible alternatives." It is also expected that "knowledge gained in the investigation can be used
to aid in the evaluation of other fault-controlled geothermal systems." Clearly, it is not the purpose
of this study to recommend specific courses of action regarding the development of the geothermal
resource at Klamath Falls; but rather, to provide the scientific data that will be required for decisionmaking
by agencies and citizens in Klamath Falls.
Data Oregon's budget deficits growing big-time - KTVZ.com Central Oregons News, Weather and Sports Leader - Quote: Oregon's budget deficits growing big-time
Posted: Feb 20, 2009 01:48 PM PST
Oregon's lawmakers, governor got clearer picture Friday of revenue gap - and it wasn't pretty
Governor, lawmakers weigh in on latest bleak figures
From The Associated Press and KTVZ.COM news sources
SALEM (AP) - State Economist Tom Potiowsky says the Oregon budget deficit has grown to $850 million for the current biennium and will top $2.5 billion for 2009-11, forcing even deeper cuts than anticipated. There is a price to be paid by us in all the other states for Oregon's piss poor energy policy, as you can take Old Crock's word billions of our tax money is going into Oregon's pockets so a university can play in its geothermal puddle, so that Oregon's environuts can have wind farms, all on our dime.
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