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Old 08-02-2008, 08:24 PM
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The Republicans seem to be getting their mojo back. They hear and understand that the people need relief.
are you retarded? we're not giving the oil companies anwar and offshore.

if you knew the facts, and you clearly don't, you would take 30 billion from the oil companies. that's the solution. before oilman bush got into office, the oil companies made 8 billion in profit. have I lost you yet? i'll slow down. this yr, 40 billion.

ok, the dollar is weak. fine, so let them keep 10 billion. but not 40.

the oil companies sell our oil on the world market, not to us for cheap. stupid. giving them offshore won't save dick.

they lie about investing the money in alternative energy, so take back the tax breaks, and regulate them. but bush apointees won't because he appointed oil men to regulate themselves. I bet you don't know any of this.

and don't you dare say they should be able to charge whatever they want, because I bet you don't know the 00-06 gop congress passed a law that the oil companies can NEVER be charged more than $56ish dollars a barrel for oil. Why when they gouge us?

There is no shortage of oil. They purposely lag on refining capacity.

Here is the last fact that i'm sure will go in one ear and out the other. They were making 8 cents on every dollar. now they make 9. That's not supply and demand.
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Let the oil men keep their profits, (and I'm not just saying this because my wife's family is heavily vested in oil). Exxon is not to blame. They are just benefitting from the current system. Energy trading needs to be reregulated. This would keep down speculation runs on a precious and neccessary commodity. Check this out Pensito Review Closing Enron Loophole Would Drop Oil Prices 25% - 50% Overnight...
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On the other hand, Congress and George Bush could take a step tomorrow that would create a drop in oil prices of between 25 and 50 percent overnight, simply by closing the Enron Loophole...Enron got a law passed containing what is now known as the Enron loophole. Where Gramm deregulated individual trades, the Enron loophole deregulated entire markets, online markets. Enron had just started its own online market, and set its sites on the state of California.

Over the next six months, California suffered 38 rolling blackouts, as Enron used artificial shortages, bogus deals and total knowledge of the market as sole owner of its own online market to triple California‘s energy bills. In the dark, regulators had less power than California did, leaving Enron laughing about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The money you stole from those poor grandmothers in California.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, Grandma Millie, man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, now she wants her (EXPLETIVE DELETED) money back for all the power you charged—jammed up her (EXPLETIVE DELETED) at 250 dollars a megawatt hour.
Isnt this the bill that the republicans held up last week? Why do republicans want high oil prices? Is it to convince the american public that we need to cut loose with some new oil contracts... Naaa .. Cant be that. Americans are too smart to be taken that way...

It does however bring a tear to my eye reading about all this concern you republicans have for the average American Joe out ther spending 4$ a gallon for gas...

When you get a chance to wipe off those crocadile tears, please go and give yourselves a hand. Without you cats, where would this country be?

Oh, btw.. the lame duck minority party will not be dictating the future of our energy policy.. Kudos Nancy for shutting down a bunch of disgruntled windbags who when were in power did absolutly nothing to procure any semblence of energy independance even after 9/11.

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Opposing more spending that we can not pay for is a good thing IMO, while Opposing even VOTING on drilling, is not.

Nancy is being an obstructionist all the way.

LET THEM VOTE.

Oh wait, it's to late now. Nancy bought a 6 week delay by blocking a vote and taking off on vacation.

What saints your Dems are indeed.
You re under the impression they are my Democrats?

Or that I think them saints?

How simple the world must be for you.

Black hats and white hats, eh?

If only..
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:09 AM
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Basic fact, additions to the supply will lower the cost. Whether people conserve gas by not driving, or more oil is drilled, the supply is still being added to, thus lowering cost. Do you expect everyone to just switch (right now) to an electric car? Millions and millions of machines and vehicles run off of oil right now. Until other technologies can and are made readily available for consumers, then the oil supply needs to be added to for relief at the pump.
Yes, a few cents a gallon, until Israel does a fly by on Iran and then speculators will raise them back up.

And as soon as John McCain wins, gas will go back up, for 3.5 yrs, then they'll lower them again a little before the 2012 election to dupe you again.
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:20 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jeepers View Post
Let the oil men keep their profits, (and I'm not just saying this because my wife's family is heavily vested in oil). Exxon is not to blame. They are just benefitting from the current system. Energy trading needs to be reregulated. This would keep down speculation runs on a precious and neccessary commodity. Check this out Pensito Review Closing Enron Loophole Would Drop Oil Prices 25% - 50% Overnight...

Isnt this the bill that the republicans held up last week? Why do republicans want high oil prices? Is it to convince the american public that we need to cut loose with some new oil contracts... Naaa .. Cant be that. Americans are too smart to be taken that way...

It does however bring a tear to my eye reading about all this concern you republicans have for the average American Joe out ther spending 4$ a gallon for gas...

When you get a chance to wipe off those crocadile tears, please go and give yourselves a hand. Without you cats, where would this country be?

Oh, btw.. the lame duck minority party will not be dictating the future of our energy policy.. Kudos Nancy for shutting down a bunch of disgruntled windbags who when were in power did absolutly nothing to procure any semblence of energy independance even after 9/11.
nice post. I never hear repubs discuss the enron loophole and how much that's costing us. they just want to give big oil more land so they can sell it on the world market.

its like selling us locks for our doors to prevent burglars from getting in but we have no locks for our windows. bad analogy, but I think you'll get the point?
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:40 AM
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Let the oil men keep their profits, (and I'm not just saying this because my wife's family is heavily vested in oil).
My friend says the same thing. His in laws are loaded so he's a conservative. Plus he's a cop so his job isn't leaving the country. Nor are illegals taking his job. Plus he'll get a pension. Even though he sees what I see, he tries to argue, but I got him to admit that he's banking on this enheritance. Plus, he's racist.

Many of us don't think he'll make it. He's always hanging out at bars with his buddies and leaves his wife at home. I don't wish him ill, but I will laugh at him if they ever divorce.

Democrats might be tax and spenders, but repubs are borrow and spend even more. You know which is worse. Both need to change for the better, but one is worse. Much worse. Eventually gop politics is going to hurt all of us and only the rich will get thru it.

I say end the federal reserve and start all over again. The dollar is only worth the paper it is printed on. Socialize energy and kick speecial interest out of washington. Corporations can't vote so why are they involved in politics? And protect industries that are vital to America, like auto manufacturing.
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo View Post
Yes, a few cents a gallon, until Israel does a fly by on Iran and then speculators will raise them back up.

And as soon as John McCain wins, gas will go back up, for 3.5 yrs, then they'll lower them again a little before the 2012 election to dupe you again.
A few cents is better than no relief yes? And tell me exactly how you plan on magically converting everyone's automobiles to run on faith and hope?
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Old 08-03-2008, 01:57 PM
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My friend says the same thing. His in laws are loaded so he's a conservative. Plus he's a cop so his job isn't leaving the country. Nor are illegals taking his job. Plus he'll get a pension. Even though he sees what I see, he tries to argue, but I got him to admit that he's banking on this enheritance. Plus, he's racist.

Many of us don't think he'll make it. He's always hanging out at bars with his buddies and leaves his wife at home. I don't wish him ill, but I will laugh at him if they ever divorce.

Democrats might be tax and spenders, but repubs are borrow and spend even more. You know which is worse. Both need to change for the better, but one is worse. Much worse. Eventually gop politics is going to hurt all of us and only the rich will get thru it.

I say end the federal reserve and start all over again. The dollar is only worth the paper it is printed on. Socialize energy and kick speecial interest out of washington. Corporations can't vote so why are they involved in politics? And protect industries that are vital to America, like auto manufacturing.
Why should special interests be kicked out of Washington? They have just as much right to their interests as you or I. The problem is not them, it is congress for cow towing to them.

Most of congress is who should be kicked out of Washington. You want to start something over? Let's start CONGRESS over, how about that? There are NO DOUBT better candidates then what we vote for every election. Let's give THEM a shot, and quit complaining that "our votes won't count" if we vote for someone besides who the media jacks off on a daily basis.
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The technologies will be made available when the two oil men in the White House are gone, and a Democrat is in office.
You keep laying out these "big oil" contributors, let me ask you a question did Obama support the current energy legislation that President Bush proposed?
Did John MCcain support the current energy legislation? So how again has Obama rebuked the current energy policy that is costing consumers around $4 a gallon? Just wondering....I am sure you will try and deflect from the question as this is a common practice by you.
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are you retarded? we're not giving the oil companies anwar and offshore.

if you knew the facts, and you clearly don't, you would take 30 billion from the oil companies. that's the solution. before oilman bush got into office, the oil companies made 8 billion in profit. have I lost you yet? i'll slow down. this yr, 40 billion.

ok, the dollar is weak. fine, so let them keep 10 billion. but not 40.

the oil companies sell our oil on the world market, not to us for cheap. stupid. giving them offshore won't save dick.

they lie about investing the money in alternative energy, so take back the tax breaks, and regulate them. but bush apointees won't because he appointed oil men to regulate themselves. I bet you don't know any of this.

and don't you dare say they should be able to charge whatever they want, because I bet you don't know the 00-06 gop congress passed a law that the oil companies can NEVER be charged more than $56ish dollars a barrel for oil. Why when they gouge us?

There is no shortage of oil. They purposely lag on refining capacity.

Here is the last fact that i'm sure will go in one ear and out the other. They were making 8 cents on every dollar. now they make 9. That's not supply and demand.
And Exxon paid $3 in taxes worldwide for ever dollar of profit. Out one ear...
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And Exxon paid $3 in taxes worldwide for ever dollar of profit. Out one ear...
So taxes don't really discourage companies from doing business, do they?

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So taxes don't really discourage companies from doing business, do they?

Time will tell. So you think that paying those types of taxes is ok or should be increased?
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Time will tell. So you think that paying those types of taxes is ok or should be increased?
I think that the oil companies should pay the same rates as any other corporation.

If that means they can't turn a profit and will go out of business I'm not going to lose any sleep over it...tough.

If they pass the costs along to us, that's okay by me as well. The only way we'll ever get angry enough to find an alternative is after we hurt from paying through the nose.
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And Exxon paid $3 in taxes worldwide for ever dollar of profit. Out one ear...
Correction...mostly they collect taxes from the consumers and channel that money to the states and Federal government.

The're not paying those taxes, they're merely collecting them, just like every other retailer.

We saw the charts just a couple weeks ago, remember?

Mostly what they were calling their taxes burden turned out to be the consumers' tax burden.
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