$5 a gallon oil in 2012

We are building/have built a refinery in Wyoming I think it was to refine Tar Sands oil from Canada.

btw what ever happened to those refineries Bush promised to build on abandoned military base land?

I never heard about a single application being filed to build one.

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. – The Obama administration's decision to maintain a ban on oil drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico and off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts is a mistake, according to a University of Illinois expert who wrote a six-volume book series on marine pollution.

"It's a ridiculous decision on the part of the Interior Department," said John W. Kindt, a professor of business and legal policy at Illinois. "The previous 180-day moratorium really hurt a lot of businesses. Well, a seven-year ban is going to sting even more."

Kindt says giving the oil companies a public spanking through a seven-year ban isn't going to solve our energy problems, and that unreasonably prohibiting offshore drilling will not only exacerbate the region's economic woes, it also will strengthen U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

"Our motto should be 'Drill, Baby, Drill' but 'Safely, Baby, Safely,' " he said. "We have two wars in the Middle East, and while we do need alternate sources of energy, in the interim we still need to safely develop our off-shore resources. That means we need to open up both the East Coast and California for drilling, although California is not going to like that. But we've got to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time."

According to Kindt, the author of "Marine Pollution and the Law of the Sea," a six-volume series that examines protecting the world's oceans while encouraging development of essential resources, the real villain in the new contretemps is not BP (formerly British Petroleum), but the Department of the Interior, with the recently announced seven-year moratorium serving as yet another example of what he says is the department's shortsightedness and incompetence.

Expert: Seven-year moratorium on gulf oil drilling an unwise decision | News Bureau | University of Illinois

never heard that one
got a link?

We need more Refineries.

Top U.S. Refineries - Energy Information Administration. Energy Rankings

We don't drill off our shores because there is barely any oil off our shores. Certainly not enough to make the slightest dent in our 86 million barrel per day appetite (and growing).

That being said, if oil companies want to continue to bludgeon their profit margin building vast infrastructure for piddly kiddie pools of oil in our water, I think they should be allowed to do so. WITH abundant safety oversight and severe ramifications for screw ups. They'll learn soon enough there's barely any oil, as the USGS has known for decades.

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We have partial agreement there. Why is China in the Gulf if there is so little there? After the Spill I got the impression that we have barely touched on it.

Sinclair has two refineries in Wyoming, as far as i can tell both are well over twenty five years old. Maybe they modified a portion but no actual new refinery has been built in at least twenty five years.

Jiggs the expert, what a tired joke. Given the Gulf of Mexico is supplying over 30% of our oil and we are not producing the oil at half its potential there is enough proven reserves to keep pumping hundreds of years. Since drilling in the Gulf has begun its continually expanded.

Hell, BP just suffered what is literally known or previously known as a "Gusher".

Of course with Libya about to double the supply of oil they produce, Brazil producing oil with billions of dollars given by Obama, the world has more and more oil than ever before.

Oil Field Services: Libya Increases Proven Oil Reserves

proven reserves to keep pumping hundreds of years

WOW!

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there's a recovery?

damn it , you didn't wake me up~!!!!!

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"Right now, we're spending more money to pay interest on debt than we'll spend on education, homeland security, transportation and veterans' benefits combined this year. Surely, there's something better to spend that money on. And those interest payments are a significant tax on Americans -- a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. And just wait until interest rates rise, because at some point they will".Obama, Senate speech 2006

Hmmmm China is drilling in the Gulf. Russia's Gazprom is planing on drilling off of Florida,
the map in the link shows a whole hell of a lot of rigs and we don't own most of them. Somebody's getting oil there so why isn't it us?

Oil Platforms in the Gulf: How Many and Who Owns Them? | Deep Sea News

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Its weird that you and I are the only ones here that know the difference between oil and gasoline.

Now I feel much more smug than usual.

It is the purpose of Message Boards.

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Let's build one in Elmhurst, NY.

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thats if there is any oil lefted at all...

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No.

The Canadians (Suncor) want to buy a refinery in Cheyenne to process "Tar Sand Oil" (aka Syncrude), and they have bought a refinery in Denver.

Refining Oil is not a terribly profitable business, and it takes about 20 years in the USA just to file all the EPA "Environmental Impact Studies."

There are 4 refineries in WY, and several in MT. All have been debottlenecked and expanded, but not necessarily to produce more gasoline. Much of the "expansion" is to produce "Ultra Low Sulfur" deisel at 10 ppm as EPA regulations dictated. The other major expansions have been to tighten Wastewater quality (the water returned from the refinery is better quality than the water entering), and to produce more Coke (and deisel) instead of asphalt (dramatically increasing the cost of building roads).

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