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Old 10-14-2008, 08:15 AM
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Well Rolling Stone has dumped on McCain

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At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation's capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It's the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.

McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.

There's a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam — call it an honor gap. Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a "confession" to his North Vietnamese captors. Dramesi, in contrast, attempted two daring escapes. For the second he was brutalized for a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him. His partner in the escape, Lt. Col. Ed Atterberry, didn't survive the mistreatment. But Dramesi never said a disloyal word, and for his heroism was awarded two Air Force Crosses, one of the service's highest distinctions. McCain would later hail him as "one of the toughest guys I've ever met."

On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.

"I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."

"Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.

"It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.

"Why? Where are you going to, John?"

"Oh, I'm going to Rio."

"What the hell are you going to Rio for?"

McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.

"I got a better chance of getting laid."
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:30 AM
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Old John is an interesting person. In his autobiography, he tells that as a child he would explode in rage for the least important reason. He would hold his breath until he passed out to get his way.

Maybe he should try that on national TV. Might get the vote of the United Breath Holders.

John, seems to me, to be another one of those born to privlege who never gets over the fact that his daddy being important doesn't really make him important.

I also wondered about those who were POWs but never gave in like he did. Why aren't they in politics?

Maybe they learned a higher meaning for their life.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:34 AM
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Well Rolling Stone has dumped on McCain

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I don't think Rolling Stone likes John McCain very much. I'm even thinking that one might be a bit overstated. But McCain 2K plus 8 definitely bears no relationship to McCain 2K.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:37 AM
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I don't want to get all Freudian here but both McCain and Bush were number three. It seems both had daddy issues. I get the feeling McCain has managed to hide his issues until now. Now, after waiting so long he can see the glittering prize receding. I think he's simply losing it and the real John McCain is standing up.
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I don't want to get all Freudian here but both McCain and Bush were number three. It seems both had daddy issues. I get the feeling McCain has managed to hide his issues until now. Now, after waiting so long he can see the glittering prize receding. I think he's simply losing it and the real John McCain is standing up.
I think Bush's "daddy issues" have always been pretty apparent. I have no doubt that McCain feels a certain sense of entitlement as well as frustration. It isn't easy being the child of a person you can't surpass. In Bush's case, that was exacerbated by him being so much less capable than Jeb. I don't know how McCain stacks up against his siblings.

I think my point is that there's clearly a lot wrong with McCain, but everyone brings their own particular psychology to the presidency. Obama has his personal demons, too. The question is will those personal demons help him do a better job or impede him? They clearly impeded Bush. I don't know if they would have impeded McCain. He seems to have been capable at the tasks he's taken on, regardless of what he's become from a moral perspective. I think Obama's demons have driven him and made him better. I know people like that and they excel at everything they do.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:21 AM
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Good find. It is a shame the left doesn't have an echo chamber similar to the right, this should be everywhere.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:32 AM
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Good find. It is a shame the left doesn't have an echo chamber similar to the right, this should be everywhere.
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Rolling Stone doesn't like a Republican candidate for President???? This has got to be a first!!!!!!
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:37 AM
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Rolling Stone doesn't like a Republican candidate for President???? This has got to be a first!!!!!!
Illuminating read isn't it?
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:57 AM
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Dispute the facts/statements and not the source. Haven't we been told that about Faux.

Also, my post was from his autobiography, not the Stones article.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:47 AM
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If this has any truth at all, this guy is a danger to the US.
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How would you get that video with the story posted to YouTube?
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for all we know he was joking around about the getting laid bit, and who the heck cares if a guy back from prison wants to go to a resort and get laid? His marriage was already on the skids and blah blah blah....

There are other reasons he shouldn't be president, like the fact that he seems occasionally disoriented and picks a new course every other day for his campaign. CIC? No thanks!
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Illuminating read isn't it?
Illuminating? No. Entertaining, but not illuminating. All I learned is that Rolling Stone is perfectly willing to bash an American Hero. They should stick to the music industry and STFU.
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