07-02-2008, 02:24 PM
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Obama used to say marriage was between a man and a woman....no longer... Quote:
July 2, 2008
Gay rights moved to the forefront of the presidential campaign Tuesday after Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's announcement that he opposes a November ballot measure that would ban same-sex marriage in California.
In a letter to San Francisco's Alice B. Toklas Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Democratic Club, the presumptive presidential nominee said he opposed "the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution" and similar efforts in other states.
Obama's position on Proposition 8 was announced at a club event Sunday. Last week, Arizona Sen. John McCain, the expected GOP standard-bearer in November, told officials of Protect Marriage, a coalition that gathered 1.1 million signatures for the California measure, that he backs their efforts "to recognize marriage as a unique institution between a man and a woman."
For both campaigns, the decision to get involved in the same-sex marriage debate carries political risks.
California is one of three states with same-sex marriage bans on the November ballot. While the state is seen as Obama country, and Arizona is McCain's home state, Florida, the third state seeking to limit marriage to a man and a woman, is a swing state that will be a major prize in the November election.
Obama is skating gingerly past his previous position on the issue.
The Illinois senator has said repeatedly that he believes marriage should be only between man and a woman. When the California Supreme Court overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage in May, Obama released a carefully nuanced statement saying he respected the court's decision, believed states should make their own decisions on marriage and "will continue to fight for civil unions as president."
On Tuesday, Obama spokeswoman Shannon Gilson released this statement:
"Senator Obama supports civil unions, and he has consistently opposed federal and state constitutional marriage amendments because as we have seen in some states, enshrining a definition of marriage into the constitution can allow states to roll back the civil rights and benefits that are provided in domestic partnerships and civil unions."
But civil unions, gay activists argue, aren't the same as marriage, and they say his earlier stance would put Obama on the wrong side of what's increasingly seen as a civil rights issue.
Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage |
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07-02-2008, 02:26 PM
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07-02-2008, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravi  He finally got something right. | Wrong.
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07-02-2008, 02:30 PM
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07-02-2008, 02:32 PM
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Rep Power: 349 | | | Actually, he always said he PERSONALLY believed marriage was between a man and a woman, but that he opposed any BANS on same sex marriage.
And he's always supported civil unions.
You can follow that SE, right?
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07-02-2008, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by midcan5 Good for him, it is about time the constitution covered everyone. | Where does the Constitution cover marriage?
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07-02-2008, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jillian Actually, he always said he PERSONALLY believed marriage was between a man and a woman, but that he opposed any BANS on same sex marriage.
And he's always supported civil unions.
You can follow that SE, right? | Yep...he's like any twisted politician....
Tell me....why did he suddenly "come out" for gay marriage if his position was so pro-gay to begin with? Why did he used to say marriage was between a man and a woman?
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07-02-2008, 02:35 PM
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07-02-2008, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Shogun enter a misrepresented Loving decision in 4.. 3.. 2.. | *Yawn*
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07-02-2008, 02:44 PM
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Rep Power: 349 | | | Hey, shogie... do you think that repeatedly saying that Loving doesn't say marriage is a fundamental right makes it not so?
If you do, you're far more delusional than I thought.
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07-02-2008, 02:45 PM
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Rep Power: 164 | | | Hey jilly, do you think insisting that it does minimizes the FACT of illegal polygamy? If so, then your law degree is worth less than you paid for it.
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07-02-2008, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jillian *Yawn* | yawn indeed. Did you have anything else to add to this conversation or is this where you assume that your bar exam invalidates the mormon punchline to your goofy Loving joke?
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07-02-2008, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by midcan5 Good for him, it is about time the constitution covered everyone. | The Constitution doesn't cover marriage, genius.
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07-02-2008, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnyL The Constitution doesn't cover marriage, genius. |
well, but it does cover equality...and since our government provides special benefits to those who are married, why shouldn't people who choose a same sex partner, receive equal benefits?
because God said so? what about separation of church and state? and certainly, given the current rate of infidelity and divorce, the whole social stability argument is laughable, no?
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Originally Posted by Glori.B well, but it does cover equality...and since our government provides special benefits to those who are married, why shouldn't people who choose a same sex partner, receive equal benefits?
because God said so? what about separation of church and state? and certainly, given the current rate of infidelity and divorce, the whole social stability argument is laughable, no? | I don't think the Constitution requires gay marriage, but States are free to provide for it if they wish (and they should in my view).
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