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Rep Power: 236 | | | Here's an idea: Let's Tax College Tuition! In case you thought college tuition bills were getting far too affordable for the average family, the Pittsburgh government has a solution. Let's spread the wealth! THE FAIR SHARE TAX! Quote: The mayor of Pittsburgh calls it the “Fair Share Tax.” But to officials at the city’s 10 colleges and universities and many of their 100,000 students, it is anything but. Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said the universities rejected his request to pay $5 million a year to the city, and that he had no other option.
On Wednesday, the City Council is expected to give preliminary approval to Mayor Luke Ravenstahl’s proposal for a 1 percent tuition tax on students attending college in Pittsburgh, which he says will raise $16.2 million in annual revenue that is needed to pay pensions for retired city employees. Final Council action will be on Monday.
The tax would be the first of its kind in the nation, and other cities are watching closely as they try to find ways to close their own budget gaps. The New York Times > Log In
I wonder who will pay the tax for the kids who pay nothing.
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Quote: Originally Posted by chanel In case you thought college tuition bills were getting far too affordable for the average family, the Pittsburgh government has a solution. Let's spread the wealth! THE FAIR SHARE TAX! Quote: The mayor of Pittsburgh calls it the “Fair Share Tax.” But to officials at the city’s 10 colleges and universities and many of their 100,000 students, it is anything but. Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said the universities rejected his request to pay $5 million a year to the city, and that he had no other option.
On Wednesday, the City Council is expected to give preliminary approval to Mayor Luke Ravenstahl’s proposal for a 1 percent tuition tax on students attending college in Pittsburgh, which he says will raise $16.2 million in annual revenue that is needed to pay pensions for retired city employees. Final Council action will be on Monday.
The tax would be the first of its kind in the nation, and other cities are watching closely as they try to find ways to close their own budget gaps. The New York Times > Log In
I wonder who will pay the tax for the kids who pay nothing. I am surprised that NJ didn't think of this first, they seem to be at the forefront of taxation and shaking the money out of every pocket in the state.
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Quote: Originally Posted by xotoxi That's fuckin' bullshit crap! Yup, and hopefully people are tired of these A'Holes screwing the poor working person into the ground and people start really exercising their power to control their own lives and start tossing these 'Idjuts' out of office. | | The Following User Says Thank You to Gatekeeper For This Useful Post: | | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by xotoxi That's fuckin' bullshit crap! Yup, and hopefully people are tired of these A'Holes screwing the poor working person into the ground and people start really exercising their power to control their own lives and start tossing these 'Idjuts' out of office. Most college Students are not local residents so have absolutely no say in local politics at all. I would suggest that any college being taxed have their students register to vote in that city and vote those fools out of office.
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Rep Power: 690 | | | What's going to happen is that enrollment in Pittsburgh colleges is going to decline.
Are there any colleges in Pittsburgh that are SO enticing that a prospective student would want to pay an extra $400 per year more than for a college elsewhere? | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by xotoxi What's going to happen is that enrollment in Pittsburgh colleges is going to decline.
Are there any colleges in Pittsburgh that are SO enticing that a prospective student would want to pay an extra $400 per year more than for a college elsewhere? I cannot get over how these 'leaders', council or otherwise, seem to 'attack' those who can least afford it, in most cases, the students are struggling to earn and learn while the 'system' see them as 'prey', well I guess we are all 'prey' when it comes down to it, worldwide. Just depends on how much further we can all be pushed. | | The Following User Says Thank You to Gatekeeper For This Useful Post: | | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gatekeeper
Quote: Originally Posted by xotoxi That's fuckin' bullshit crap! Yup, and hopefully people are tired of these A'Holes screwing the poor working person into the ground and people start really exercising their power to control their own lives and start tossing these 'Idjuts' out of office. Most college Students are not local residents so have absolutely no say in local politics at all. I would suggest that any college being taxed have their students register to vote in that city and vote those fools out of office. Don't think that would work. If they register to vote locally they would technically be residents and have lower tuition anyway. Besides, these students today think they're entitled to a college education and certainly won't bite the hand that feeds them "freebies." The money would be better spent on lower school education so that the kids are educated enough to get into college in the first place.
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Rep Power: 215 | | | From the OP Quote: Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said the universities rejected his request to pay $5 million a year to the city, and that he had no other option. Why not cut city public services to the University System to reduce costs by $5 million?
I'm certain that U of Pittsburg students would be happy to walk through unlighted, unpoliced, unplowed streets to get to school rather than pay an extra 1% City Tax. No doubt that intelligent and socially conscious university students would soon organize themselves into carpools, snow-removal work gangs, and security patrols.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Samson Quote: Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said the universities rejected his request to pay $5 million a year to the city, and that he had no other option. Why not cut city public services to the University System to reduce costs by $5 million?
I'm certain that U of Pittsburg students would be happy to walk through unlighted, unpoliced, unplowed streets to get to school rather than pay an extra 1% City Tax. No doubt that intelligent and socially conscious university students would soon organize themselves into carpools, snow-removal work gangs, and security patrols. Electricity is a commodity; the schools pay for it.
Have you ever heard of "Campus Police"?
If it is a public street the maintenance is already covered by property tax and university property is generally high end (unless they get a property tax exemption)- unless it is completely on university land, then the university pays for construction and maintenance.
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Quote: Originally Posted by xotoxi What's going to happen is that enrollment in Pittsburgh colleges is going to decline.
Are there any colleges in Pittsburgh that are SO enticing that a prospective student would want to pay an extra $400 per year more than for a college elsewhere? Carnegie Mellon.
I am confused, are the students socking up this cost? I would think the federal government would object, since most students are on federal loans anyways.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Charles Stucker
Quote: Originally Posted by Samson Quote: Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said the universities rejected his request to pay $5 million a year to the city, and that he had no other option. Why not cut city public services to the University System to reduce costs by $5 million?
I'm certain that U of Pittsburg students would be happy to walk through unlighted, unpoliced, unplowed streets to get to school rather than pay an extra 1% City Tax. No doubt that intelligent and socially conscious university students would soon organize themselves into carpools, snow-removal work gangs, and security patrols. Electricity is a commodity; the schools pay for it.
Have you ever heard of "Campus Police"?
If it is a public street the maintenance is already covered by property tax and university property is generally high end (unless they get a property tax exemption)- unless it is completely on university land, then the university pays for construction and maintenance. So, you're saying that NO city services in Pittsburg support the University of Pittsburg? 
Certainly you're not so opaque.
While the campus has its own police force, and pays for its own electricity and plows its own streets, the CITY pays for all these services in the area surrounding the campus.
Unless all the students live on campus, they utilize city services to get to and from the campus: Busses, streets, street lights, maintainance, police, etc. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Samson
Quote: Originally Posted by Charles Stucker
Quote: Originally Posted by Samson
Why not cut city public services to the University System to reduce costs by $5 million?
I'm certain that U of Pittsburg students would be happy to walk through unlighted, unpoliced, unplowed streets to get to school rather than pay an extra 1% City Tax. No doubt that intelligent and socially conscious university students would soon organize themselves into carpools, snow-removal work gangs, and security patrols. Electricity is a commodity; the schools pay for it.
Have you ever heard of "Campus Police"?
If it is a public street the maintenance is already covered by property tax and university property is generally high end (unless they get a property tax exemption)- unless it is completely on university land, then the university pays for construction and maintenance. So, you're saying that NO city services in Pittsburg support the University of Pittsburg? 
Certainly you're not so opaque.
While the campus has its own police force, and pays for its own electricity and plows its own streets, the CITY pays for all these services in the area surrounding the campus.
Unless all the students live on campus, they utilize city services to get to and from the campus: Busses, streets, street lights, maintainance, police, etc. Of so the city should stop doing their jobs around the campus cause the campus won't knuckle to threats and blackmail? Why exactly should the people paying those taxes in those neighborhoods continue to pay taxes if the city stops services?
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Not that I am defending this city tuition tax. The college should move it's administrative offices outside the city.
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Quote: Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt
Quote: Originally Posted by Samson
Quote: Originally Posted by Charles Stucker
Electricity is a commodity; the schools pay for it.
Have you ever heard of "Campus Police"?
If it is a public street the maintenance is already covered by property tax and university property is generally high end (unless they get a property tax exemption)- unless it is completely on university land, then the university pays for construction and maintenance. So, you're saying that NO city services in Pittsburg support the University of Pittsburg? 
Certainly you're not so opaque.
While the campus has its own police force, and pays for its own electricity and plows its own streets, the CITY pays for all these services in the area surrounding the campus.
Unless all the students live on campus, they utilize city services to get to and from the campus: Busses, streets, street lights, maintainance, police, etc. Of so the city should stop doing their jobs around the campus cause the campus won't knuckle to threats and blackmail? Why exactly should the people paying those taxes in those neighborhoods continue to pay taxes if the city stops services? Well, either stop or decrease services surrounding the University, or stop or decrease services in the entire City. The former sounds more fair.
Threats and Blackmail?
A waitress brought me breakfast this morning. Then she brought the bill. I didn't feel she was threatening me, or blackmailing me to pay it.
No doubt there will be a little collateral damage. The homeowners surrounding the campus will no doubt see a decline in their property values, and as a result, will pay less tax. Or, more probably, they will hire students to perform services previously provided by the city. |  | |
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