http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

So let me see if I have this right...We take 1500 German NAZI's in 1945, bring them into the U.S. and make them head of N.A.S.A and put them in positions of CIA and industrial military and now wonder why the U.S. is shapping into a dictatorship and looking like NAZI Germany all over again???

You wouldn't know what Nazi Germany looked liek if it was prying your eyeballs out with a spoon.

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"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper." -- Gen. Robert E. Lee

Sounds like a natural outcome to me

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Little bit of a leap from using people's scientific knowledge to seeing a "dictatorship", no?

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When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.
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Nope. Fascism is always lurking in the wings, waiting its chance to savage a perfectly functioning democracy.

These people were happy little fascists in Germany, unlike the people who couldn't stomach Nazism, saw what was coming and left. They had a predisposition to fascism and were happy to assist the US in what they saw as fascism's greatest enemy, communism.

Let's not forget that the German medical profession was totally supportive of Nazi eugenics before WWII broke out. They and the folks mentioned here, were facilitators of fascism.

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Listen, I'm the last one to support anything the Nazis did. But I do see a utility in keeping their scientific knowledge away from the Soviets at the time. I guess I just don't see it as infiltrating our governmental system.

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When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.
69 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

I know a lot about German history and have known a lot of German people, have Germans in my family, etc etc. I think that a lot of people back then were just trying to survive as best they could. Not everyone wanted to up and leave, they were just waiting Hitler out. People had allegiances to their families and couldn't just abandon everyone they knew because they didn't like Hitler.
What I'm saying is, back then it was pretty much either join the Nazi party or die. They didn't just kill Jews, they killed anyone who said anything negative about Hitler. They had kids as spies in every neighborhood.
I visited a memorial in Berlin where they used to hang dissenters. They hung a minister there who dared to say something negative about Hitler at dinner with neighbors. The little girl reported to her Hitler youth leader, and the guy was killed.

Against that kind of oppression, can anyone say that they wouldn't have joined the party? Just because someone lived in Germany at that time, just because they were forced to join the party did NOT mean that they believed in the principles of the Nazi party.

Also there is a lot of evidence to show that a lot of Germans genuinely did not know what was happening to the Jews when they were put on the trains.

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Scrooge, Mickey's Christmas Carol

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha

I was with you until that one...

there isn't any way they didn't know.

But there were Germans who stood up, too. If more had, things might have been different. Cause an awful lot of people died to protect the "comfort level" of the public, no?

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"Trust none of what you hear And less of what you see" Springsteen
When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.
69 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

I don't know, I really don't. I guess I would like to believe that there were people who were out in the middle of nowhere who didn't know.
At the same time I would like to believe that people in this country didn't know too.

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Scrooge, Mickey's Christmas Carol

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha

its not that much of a leap if you include the influence of the bush family and the role played in regard to Nazis or the influence of skull and bones...or Goerings, hess, himlers favorite pre- war hang out the bohemian grove

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Remember, remember, the 11th of september The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
I see of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.....

There were a lot more people than Prescott Bush who favored the Nazis because they thought they were going with the winning side.

Skull and bones is a way for rich kids to make their life connections. I don't see it as nefariously as you do. It's just a fraternity that "knows someone".

As for the Bohemian Grove, rich, powerful people will always gather. That's the way life is. It isn't nefarious. It doesn't have some dark, evil meaning. It just is.

And this is where my disagreement lies with you. You have put together three things, all of which absolutely exist, and spun them together in a way that is unsubstantiated and adds layer upon layer of negative connotation for things that while certainly not intended to benefit you and me, aren't satan's spawn.

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When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.
69 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

Well i am encouraged you recognize they absolutely exist but I have not spun them together they are all directly linked through both membership
and agenda and the with further examination there are layer upon layer of further connections and lastly the words of these people themselves..
the fact the world elite have always gathered to conspire to there own benefit..makes it no less reprehensible..and as light hearted frat fun you may find in swearing secret oaths to Moloch in secret societies and having two of these men vying for the presidency, as in bush and Kerry I find it to be indeed Satan's spawn

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"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it." -- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

Remember, remember, the 11th of september The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
I see of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.....

Damnit, I may be forced to concede

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Just about any nation, given the right circumstances, would go the same way. Human nature, give or take a few cultural differences, is pretty well constant across the continents and across time.

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In fifty years there might be people in our country asking us why we didn't stand up when our rights were being violated, why we didn't stand up when our government was violating the Geneva convention and waterboarding people.

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"What's this world coming to Cratchet? You work all your life to make money, and then people want you to give it away!"
Scrooge, Mickey's Christmas Carol

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha