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| Are you going to answer any of my questions? Or just pretend you know the answer and that I'm stupid for asking? That's the sign of true genius Rabbi Keynes-Hitler. Bravo! Go look at the history of bank panics and Morgan's role in them during his life and report back. AND NO WIKI!!!! |
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| fartfartfartfart. Is this all you can contribute? I've told you where to go to find all this out. And somehow you dont believe me, even though I've demonstrated a knowledge here you can only dream about. You don't know the difference between a bank panic and a market correction? You're even dumber than I thought. And that would take something. |
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| I'd love to hear some arguments why we need the Federal Reserve System and "elastic" fiat currency in general. Also, if you could tell me why fractional reserve banking is not fraud, I'd greatly appreciate that. Thanks! Also, if you think the Fed Board are a bunch of counterfeiters printing money for defrauding depositors and paying off the ever growing deficit, feel free to say so. If you don't know what the Federal Reserve is, then I suggest you find out because it is controlling our economy. Dude, there are no absolutes when dealing with the economy. There are no absolutes when it comes to economists. Most of their theories are rational, but they do not work all of the time. Economics is not a science that has proven theories. The present structure has flaws, but it has allowed the United States to become the leading economic powerhouse in the world. I would not scrap our present system. Instead, I am in favor of tweaking it to run better. I wonder about the men who make up the Fed Board. I think we should change that, but do not know what the solution is. Maybe you can offer a counter proposal short of saying "kill them all."
__________________ Again, I post the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Why are there so many people who can not accept the truth? Last edited by Neubarth; 10-07-2009 at 09:20 AM. |
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| I'd love to hear some arguments why we need the Federal Reserve System and "elastic" fiat currency in general. Also, if you could tell me why fractional reserve banking is not fraud, I'd greatly appreciate that. Thanks! Also, if you think the Fed Board are a bunch of counterfeiters printing money for defrauding depositors and paying off the ever growing deficit, feel free to say so. If you don't know what the Federal Reserve is, then I suggest you find out because it is controlling our economy. Dude, there are no absolutes when dealing with the economy. There are no absolutes when it comes to economists. Most of their theories are rational, but they do not work all of the time. Economics is not a science that has proven theories. The present structure has flaws, but it has allowed the United States to become the leading economic powerhouse in the world. I would not scrap our present system. Instead, I am in favor of tweaking it to run better. I wonder about the men who make up the Fed Board. I think we should change that, but do not know what the solution is. Maybe you can offer a counter proposal short of saying "kill them all." |
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| fartfartfartfart. Is this all you can contribute? I've told you where to go to find all this out. And somehow you dont believe me, even though I've demonstrated a knowledge here you can only dream about. You don't know the difference between a bank panic and a market correction? You're even dumber than I thought. And that would take something. Were you an advocate of TARP Rabbi Keynes-Hitler? |
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| How do they manipulate the value of our currency? How was value determined before the Fed? And looking things up in Wiki isn't doing research. Go check John Steele Gordon Empire of Wealth or James Grant History of Banking in the US for real answers. And no, you cannot Wiki them. And don't post here until you've done so so we can avoid stinking up the thread again with more of your ignorant ass-talking.
__________________ "The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies." - H. L. Mencken Anti-Imperialist ⋅ Individualist ⋅ Libertarian ⋅ Voluntaryist |
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| I'd love to hear some arguments why we need the Federal Reserve System and "elastic" fiat currency in general. Also, if you could tell me why fractional reserve banking is not fraud, I'd greatly appreciate that. Thanks! Also, if you think the Fed Board are a bunch of counterfeiters printing money for defrauding depositors and paying off the ever growing deficit, feel free to say so. If you don't know what the Federal Reserve is, then I suggest you find out because it is controlling our economy. Dude, there are no absolutes when dealing with the economy. There are no absolutes when it comes to economists. Most of their theories are rational, but they do not work all of the time. Economics is not a science that has proven theories. The present structure has flaws, but it has allowed the United States to become the leading economic powerhouse in the world. I would not scrap our present system. Instead, I am in favor of tweaking it to run better. I wonder about the men who make up the Fed Board. I think we should change that, but do not know what the solution is. Maybe you can offer a counter proposal short of saying "kill them all."
__________________ "The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies." - H. L. Mencken Anti-Imperialist ⋅ Individualist ⋅ Libertarian ⋅ Voluntaryist |
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| They manipulate the value of the currency by inflating the supply of dollars. For every dollar created every other dollar in existence loses value. This then trickles down to the politically well connected who get to use the new money before the rise in prices, while the common man faces a rise in prices before ever seeing it. |
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| I'd love to hear some arguments why we need the Federal Reserve System and "elastic" fiat currency in general. Also, if you could tell me why fractional reserve banking is not fraud, I'd greatly appreciate that. Thanks! Also, if you think the Fed Board are a bunch of counterfeiters printing money for defrauding depositors and paying off the ever growing deficit, feel free to say so. If you don't know what the Federal Reserve is, then I suggest you find out because it is controlling our economy. Dude, there are no absolutes when dealing with the economy. There are no absolutes when it comes to economists. Most of their theories are rational, but they do not work all of the time. Economics is not a science that has proven theories. The present structure has flaws, but it has allowed the United States to become the leading economic powerhouse in the world. I would not scrap our present system. Instead, I am in favor of tweaking it to run better. I wonder about the men who make up the Fed Board. I think we should change that, but do not know what the solution is. Maybe you can offer a counter proposal short of saying "kill them all." If you are trying to tell me that Economic theory is absolutely correct in all situations, I would be prone to think that you are a bit daft. I know you did not mean that. Granted, in economics, some theories are so solid that they would qualify as a Law as long as they are applied to specific defined purposes. Our economy is in flux. There are people on this board who think that printing of money results in inflation, yet, there had been deflation while the money in circulation was going up. I see somebody else screaming that the Fed is printing tons of money in this crisis. I don't even know where to look to confirm that, but so far I am seeing deflation in this country. Prices are going down not up. with that as the end result of all of this "printing of money" perhaps they should print more and we can get prices back to where they were in the 1950's. I remember buying a bottle of Coke for five cents. I'd kind of like to go back to that time.
__________________ Again, I post the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Why are there so many people who can not accept the truth? |
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| If the Federal Reserve was controlling our economy, I would have to say they are doing a damn poor job. They are trying to "direct it" but they are not having the greatest of success right now. Dude, there are no absolutes when dealing with the economy. There are no absolutes when it comes to economists. Most of their theories are rational, but they do not work all of the time. Economics is not a science that has proven theories. The present structure has flaws, but it has allowed the United States to become the leading economic powerhouse in the world. I would not scrap our present system. Instead, I am in favor of tweaking it to run better. I wonder about the men who make up the Fed Board. I think we should change that, but do not know what the solution is. Maybe you can offer a counter proposal short of saying "kill them all." If you are trying to tell me that Economic theory is absolutely correct in all situations, I would be prone to think that you are a bit daft. I know you did not mean that. Granted, in economics, some theories are so solid that they would qualify as a Law as long as they are applied to specific defined purposes. Our economy is in flux. There are people on this board who think that printing of money results in inflation, yet, there had been deflation while the money in circulation was going up. I see somebody else screaming that the Fed is printing tons of money in this crisis. I don't even know where to look to confirm that, but so far I am seeing deflation in this country. Prices are going down not up. with that as the end result of all of this "printing of money" perhaps they should print more and we can get prices back to where they were in the 1950's. I remember buying a bottle of Coke for five cents. I'd kind of like to go back to that time. You know why you can't check on how much money the Fed is printing? Because it's a secret! They are under no obligation to tell us what they are doing. I watched a hearing with the Fed's general counsel about HR 1207 (Audit the Fed bill) where he was asked why the board of governors thought it was a bad idea for GAO auditors to audit the Fed regularly and without exceptions. You want to know what he said? He said something to the effect of "if we had unfettered audits, then people would lose confidence in the banks." Doesn't that very statement make us lose confidence in banks? |
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| If you are trying to tell me that Economic theory is absolutely correct in all situations, I would be prone to think that you are a bit daft. I know you did not mean that. Granted, in economics, some theories are so solid that they would qualify as a Law as long as they are applied to specific defined purposes. Our economy is in flux. There are people on this board who think that printing of money results in inflation, yet, there had been deflation while the money in circulation was going up. I see somebody else screaming that the Fed is printing tons of money in this crisis. I don't even know where to look to confirm that, but so far I am seeing deflation in this country. Prices are going down not up. with that as the end result of all of this "printing of money" perhaps they should print more and we can get prices back to where they were in the 1950's. I remember buying a bottle of Coke for five cents. I'd kind of like to go back to that time. You know why you can't check on how much money the Fed is printing? Because it's a secret! They are under no obligation to tell us what they are doing. I watched a hearing with the Fed's general counsel about HR 1207 (Audit the Fed bill) where he was asked why the board of governors thought it was a bad idea for GAO auditors to audit the Fed regularly and without exceptions. You want to know what he said? He said something to the effect of "if we had unfettered audits, then people would lose confidence in the banks." Doesn't that very statement make us lose confidence in banks? You want to know how much money the Fed is creating? Right here: FRB: H.6 Release--Money Stock and Debt Measures--October 1, 2009 |
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| KEVIN, READ WHAT I WROTE NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO REPLY TO. I said that there are no absolutes when dealing with the economy (I.e. Our Economy.) If you are trying to tell me that Economic theory is absolutely correct in all situations, I would be prone to think that you are a bit daft. I know you did not mean that. Granted, in economics, some theories are so solid that they would qualify as a Law as long as they are applied to specific defined purposes. Our economy is in flux. There are people on this board who think that printing of money results in inflation, yet, there had been deflation while the money in circulation was going up. I see somebody else screaming that the Fed is printing tons of money in this crisis. I don't even know where to look to confirm that, but so far I am seeing deflation in this country. Prices are going down not up. with that as the end result of all of this "printing of money" perhaps they should print more and we can get prices back to where they were in the 1950's. I remember buying a bottle of Coke for five cents. I'd kind of like to go back to that time. You know why you can't check on how much money the Fed is printing? Because it's a secret! They are under no obligation to tell us what they are doing. I watched a hearing with the Fed's general counsel about HR 1207 (Audit the Fed bill) where he was asked why the board of governors thought it was a bad idea for GAO auditors to audit the Fed regularly and without exceptions. You want to know what he said? He said something to the effect of "if we had unfettered audits, then people would lose confidence in the banks." Doesn't that very statement make us lose confidence in banks? You want to know how much money the Fed is creating? Right here: FRB: H.6 Release--Money Stock and Debt Measures--October 1, 2009 Last edited by rubberhead; 10-07-2009 at 06:53 PM. |
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| If the Federal Reserve was controlling our economy, I would have to say they are doing a damn poor job. They are trying to "direct it" but they are not having the greatest of success right now. Dude, there are no absolutes when dealing with the economy. There are no absolutes when it comes to economists. Most of their theories are rational, but they do not work all of the time. Economics is not a science that has proven theories. The present structure has flaws, but it has allowed the United States to become the leading economic powerhouse in the world. I would not scrap our present system. Instead, I am in favor of tweaking it to run better. I wonder about the men who make up the Fed Board. I think we should change that, but do not know what the solution is. Maybe you can offer a counter proposal short of saying "kill them all." If you are trying to tell me that Economic theory is absolutely correct in all situations, I would be prone to think that you are a bit daft. I know you did not mean that. Granted, in economics, some theories are so solid that they would qualify as a Law as long as they are applied to specific defined purposes. Our economy is in flux. There are people on this board who think that printing of money results in inflation, yet, there had been deflation while the money in circulation was going up. I see somebody else screaming that the Fed is printing tons of money in this crisis. I don't even know where to look to confirm that, but so far I am seeing deflation in this country. Prices are going down not up. with that as the end result of all of this "printing of money" perhaps they should print more and we can get prices back to where they were in the 1950's. I remember buying a bottle of Coke for five cents. I'd kind of like to go back to that time.
__________________ "The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies." - H. L. Mencken Anti-Imperialist ⋅ Individualist ⋅ Libertarian ⋅ Voluntaryist |
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| How can someone be so foolish as to put so much trust into a system that is not even accountable to the people? What incentive do they have to even consider the interests of the general population? Think Rabbi Hitler. Think very carefully because you may live long enough to hear common sense say "I told you so." |
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