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Old 10-01-2008, 12:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by editec View Post
I think this nation is going broke, that's for damned sure.

the Neo-cns won.

The libertopians are going to finally get to see what a society run by for-profit corporations really looks like.

I suspect they're going to be shocked how intrusive private industry really is to their FREEDOMS that they feel this government has been taking from them.
So your solution is companies should not be allowed to turn profits? In some fucked up reality of yours you the consumer should get to set the price someone can charge for something you want?

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I suspect a LOT of them are inevitably going to realize that a powerful organization like a government, one which they have some small measure of control over business is far better than having to deal with the fiat power and control systems one finds in corporations which are free to conduct busines in any way they choose.
One, government has shown that it is capable of being just as corupt as business, so why you trust them to watch your back is beyond me. Two, You DO have a modicum of control over businesses, if you don't like the price or quality of their product don't buy it. Three, I don't see many people arguing for no government regulation in the first place. The question is are we regulated to the point that it's doing more harm than good, and in some cases it very much is.

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You get a license to carry on the street of America?

Yeah, right, well you don't have a license to carry on some corporations PRIVATE PROPERTY, gun-smart guys.
What is the point of this statement? It's called private property rights. The owner of any property whether it's YOUR home or private office gets to tell people what they can and can't do on their property.

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Freedom of speech in America?

Yeah, well you'd best keep your mouth shut if you want that job in that libertopian corporate world you're all thinking is a bastion of freedom.
So even though a company hired someone because they apparently possess a skill they need they're just going to start firing people willy nilly for no reason?


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Take a look at how much freedom you really have ON THE JOB and now imagine what its like when that's how much freedom y0ou have in the COMPANY TOWN you live in.

I'm originally from the coal mining regions of NE Pennyslvania.

Those people lived in something apporaching that laisse fair LIBERTOPIA some of you imagine you want. They lived in company towns.

It was no paradise for anyone involved, believe me.

You've hear of the Molly McQuires, right?

People do not like being treated like slaves, folks.

Sooner or later they fight back.
Take a look at how much the avg company spoils its employees above and beyond what government requires (2 fifteen minute breaks or half hour lunch for 8 hours of work is the requirement). Most will pay at least 2 weeks a year TO NOT BE AT WORK. Think about that concept for a second companies actually pay to lose productivity for two weeks out of the year. They pay almost all of your healthcare costs, etc. They do all kinds of things to attract quality employees. On-site daycare, discounted gym memberships, etc.

Are there a few greedy corporations out there to the detriment of their employees, yes. Has government been part of the problem, also yes. But a big part of the problem are people like you with your warped sense of reality. You take all these things for granted, you blame everyone else, you play the victim and make excuses and have this entitlement mentality. You focus your ire on everything else, but the one thing you really have control over, YOU.

Isn't it the goal of most people to improve their standard of living? Why do you believe everyone is suppossed to be bend to you in order to accomplish that? You want to work for a company that is gonna provide a six figure income, FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT to make them see it would be a good idea to hire you. Your constant whining about how you perceive everything to be so darn unfair, is it getting you anywhere?
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Quote: Originally Posted by editec View Post
I think this nation is going broke, that's for damned sure.

the Neo-cns won.

The libertopians are going to finally get to see what a society run by for-profit corporations really looks like.
If it's anything like the company I work for it would be pretty lavish and nice

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I suspect they're going to be shocked how intrusive private industry really is to their FREEDOMS that they feel this government has been taking from them.

I suspect a LOT of them are inevitably going to realize that a powerful organization like a government, one which they have some small measure of control over business is far better than having to deal with the fiat power and control systems one finds in corporations which are free to conduct busines in any way they choose.
Oh, boo, hoo....so your browsing get monitored and so do your e-mails. Why? Because they are PAYING you to WORK, not do what you want to. And they pay for your e-mail servers and network infrastructure it runs on. And they don't want perverts downloading child porn on company time. Gee, imagine that, the company expects to ..... WORK.... while you are work. Duh... And it's their money, they can do what and how they want to. If you don't like it ....QUIT...work somewhere else, or better yet, take YOUR OWN MONEY and START YOUR OWN COMPANY, ditz....

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You get a license to carry on the street of America?

Yeah, right, well you don't have a license to carry on some corporations PRIVATE PROPERTY, gun-smart guys.

Freedom of speech in America?

Yeah, well you'd best keep your mouth shut if you want that job in that libertopian corporate world you're all thinking is a bastion of freedom.

Take a look at how much freedom you really have ON THE JOB and now imagine what its like when that's how much freedom y0ou have in the COMPANY TOWN you live in.


I'm originally from the coal mining regions of NE Pennyslvania.

Those people lived in something apporaching that laisse fair LIBERTOPIA some of you imagine you want. They lived in company towns.

It was no paradise for anyone involved, believe me.

You've hear of the Molly McQuires, right?

People do not like being treated like slaves, folks.

Sooner or later they fight back.
What century and decade do you live in in your world? It damned sure as HELL isn't the first decade of the 21st century. Every company I have ever been to or work in treats their workers LAVISHLY. Posh break rooms, Starbucks coffee, microwaves, cushy office chairs, air conditioning, heat, gymnasiums with state-of-the-art exercise equipment, nice computers, nice cubes, all sorts of stuff.

Most workers in this country are actually quite comfortable in their jobs, and like the companies they work for. BY FAR AND WIDE, the worst working conditions of anyone I have ever worked for? The DOD on a military base. Thought I was back in the 1930's where you seem to be stuck in your mind...

Hint, pal, if you don't like your job, or you are working for a tight-wad, QUIT. Get another job at a nicer place that treats you well. If you want more money, ASK for it, DEMAND it, or increase your skills so you can. You only worth what they are willing to pay for what you offer. If it isn't what you want, BLAME YOURSELF because that's who's fault it is.

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