Is it Moral to steal one mans property to give to another man? Is it Moral to take MORE of one man's property because he has more, than another man's property for the common good?

Is it Moral to force those that can work and will work to pay for those that refuse to work?

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-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Is it Moral to steal one mans property to give to another man? - It depends.

Is it Moral to take MORE of one man's property because he has more, than another man's property for the common good? - It depends.

Is it Moral to force those that can work and will work to pay for those that refuse to work? - No. And before you start spouting off about socialism, that "no" is exactly what Marx wrote.

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How can you force a person to work if they will work willingly?

That makes no sense at all.

It is never moral to steal.
It is never moral for one man to determine whether another man should or shouldn't have what he worked for. It leads to corruption and tyranny.

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interesting...

stealing is immoral, though some may find it necessary to survive.

Depends. Can you give us more data?

Yes. But again, it might not be depending on circumstances

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it seems to my your yes to 2 and No to 3 are contradicting.

if it is moral to take from those who have to give to those who dont, then how is it not moral to force those who can work to pay for those who wont?

it is the same damn thing IMO

Well we sorted out the absolutists and the relativists

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Depends? Forcing one man to pay Higher tax percentage just because he makes more is always wrong. It is immoral as hell.

If it is wrong to force those that can work to pay for those that won't work, then taking more of one persons money then another is the same thing.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

If you think that progressive tax scales are immoral then explain why they are.

Giving money to bludgers who won't work is a separate policy issue.

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On what?

On what?

But Marx did say, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

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"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." -Lysander Spooner

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt

The Government is given a collective right to tax in order to run the Country and ensure the Government functions. A progressive tax penalizes a portion of that citzenry for the affront of having more then others. It does not matter one whit how much tey have, they are citizens of the Country and have the same rights and protections as everyone else.By devising an imaginary monetary line and saying any with this much must give even MORE than all the rest you defeat and destroy the very concept of fair or equal.

You turn the given power into a corrupting tool used to steal rather than tax. Just as it is unfair and unequal to take money or property from those that work and give it to those that will NOT work it is the same when you take a larger percentage from one person simply because they have more.

This Country is supposed to be a Representative Republic AND the original Government payments were from States , small states did not pay as much as large State, not because they were being treated differntly but because the money to run the Government was apportioned based on POPULATION, not on income or output.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Wingnuts like RGS use words and concepts out of their proper context in order to support their simplistic view of living in modern society. Stealing is always wrong but borrowing in a pinch is morally Ok. But that is not our favorite wingnuts' point in this thread, eventually he gets there, and mentions his real nemesis, taxes.

Taxes provide for our freedoms and our standard of living, the small amount that goes to a family in need is just that, a small amount. I personally think it is our duty as moral beings to support those in need, so calling this stealing is off the wall and just another example of the social darwinist people we have become in this nation under republican voodoo economics.


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Pithy observation, Diuretic.

Taxes provide for our freedoms ??? Please explain and include how much tax you paid to speak freely.

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