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07-06-2008, 03:54 PM
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An internal report put together by the World Bank and leaked to the Guardian claims that biofuels may be responsible for up to 75 percent of recent rises in food prices. Even environmental groups haven't gone that far in their estimates.
Rising food prices have pushed 100m people worldwide below the poverty line, estimates the World Bank, and have sparked riots from Bangladesh to Egypt. Government ministers here have described higher food and fuel prices as "the first real economic crisis of globalisation".
President Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the leaked World Bank study disputes that: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases." Secret report: biofuel caused food crisis | Environment | The Guardian |
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07-07-2008, 08:10 AM
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07-07-2008, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Manuel  An internal report put together by the World Bank and leaked to the Guardian claims that biofuels may be responsible for up to 75 percent of recent rises in food prices. Even environmental groups haven't gone that far in their estimates.
Rising food prices have pushed 100m people worldwide below the poverty line, estimates the World Bank, and have sparked riots from Bangladesh to Egypt. Government ministers here have described higher food and fuel prices as "the first real economic crisis of globalisation".
President Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the leaked World Bank study disputes that: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases." Secret report: biofuel caused food crisis | Environment | The Guardian | Arthur Daniel Midlands thanks you.
Funny, people have been pointing this out for years and Bush has been lying about it all this time?
LOL!
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07-07-2008, 08:34 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Yeah has nothing to do with the fact that China only exported 1.16 million tons of grain in the first 5 months of the year, which by is 77% less then last year. |
07-07-2008, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Manuel An internal report put together by the World Bank and leaked to the Guardian claims that biofuels may be responsible for up to 75 percent of recent rises in food prices. Even environmental groups haven't gone that far in their estimates.
Rising food prices have pushed 100m people worldwide below the poverty line, estimates the World Bank, and have sparked riots from Bangladesh to Egypt. Government ministers here have described higher food and fuel prices as "the first real economic crisis of globalisation".
President Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the leaked World Bank study disputes that: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases." Secret report: biofuel caused food crisis | Environment | The Guardian | Gee, I've been saying this for the last 2 years.
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07-07-2008, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirk | now maybe the idiots in washington get off of corn ethanol and switch to more efficient plants. sorry iowa. welcome petrolalgae and sorganol
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07-07-2008, 03:26 PM
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Rep Power: 60 | | | I don't think it's a good idea to start messing with the first level of the food chain. You think we have issues when we use CORN for fuel, I can't even imagine the repercussions of depleting algae.
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07-07-2008, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Manuel An internal report put together by the World Bank and leaked to the Guardian claims that biofuels may be responsible for up to 75 percent of recent rises in food prices. Even environmental groups haven't gone that far in their estimates.
Rising food prices have pushed 100m people worldwide below the poverty line, estimates the World Bank, and have sparked riots from Bangladesh to Egypt. Government ministers here have described higher food and fuel prices as "the first real economic crisis of globalisation".
President Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the leaked World Bank study disputes that: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases." Secret report: biofuel caused food crisis | Environment | The Guardian |
Why don't we stop paying farmers to not grow corn then?
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07-07-2008, 03:32 PM
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07-07-2008, 05:08 PM
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Rep Power: 31 | | Personally, I think we should eliminate all the middle men and just pay people not to drive. Out of work, no place to go?
Get paid for NOT being part of that traffic jam.
Unemployment seems to be our fastest growing industry, anyway.
We ought to capitalize on it before the genuses in Washington figure out a way to capitalize by outsourcing our unemployment, too.
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07-07-2008, 05:09 PM
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Rep Power: 60 | | | I wonder what the percentages are for fuel useage, i.e., the percentage used for transporting goods and the percentage used for personal to-ing and fro-ing?
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07-07-2008, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by editec Personally, I think we should eliminate all the middle men and just pay people not to drive. Out of work, no place to go?
Get paid for NOT being part of that traffic jam.
Unemployment seems to be our fastest growing industry, anyway.
We ought to capitalize on it before the genuses in Washington figure out a way to capitalize by outsourcing our unemployment, too. | They already do. They provide benefits to illegal immigrants....
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07-07-2008, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by editec Personally, I think we should eliminate all the middle men and just pay people not to drive. Out of work, no place to go?
Get paid for NOT being part of that traffic jam.
Unemployment seems to be our fastest growing industry, anyway.
We ought to capitalize on it before the genuses in Washington figure out a way to capitalize by outsourcing our unemployment, too. |
What a joke, even at 5% unemployment is LOW. You clearly were not around in the 70's or the 30's. 5% unemployment is pretty good bud. You will never see full employment anyways.
I am getting pretty fed up with all these mere babies acting like were living in the worst economic times ever, Not even close man. Stop talking out your ass and scaring people, and actual learn about our Economic History. You will see things have been much much worse in the past. |
07-08-2008, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AllieBaba I don't think it's a good idea to start messing with the first level of the food chain. You think we have issues when we use CORN for fuel, I can't even imagine the repercussions of depleting algae. | do you think we would just start collecting and converting any algae we could find? we would continually grow it for use, as we do all our foods. Pond-Powered Biofuels: Turning Algae into America's Newest Alternative Energy Source - Popular Mechanics UNH Biodiesel Group
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