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10-08-2008, 12:36 PM
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10-08-2008, 12:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by AllieBaba Truth: Give it up, libtard. You guys will defend crooks with your dying breath, because you think crime is justified if you say so.
Wow just wow, thats all you got?
Supply some facts for a change
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10-08-2008, 12:41 PM
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Rep Power: 212 | | | You're defending crooks. That's a fact, loser.
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10-08-2008, 12:55 PM
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Rep Power: 42 | | | No I am not defending the people who have defrauded ACORN by fake work and false paperwork.
You are just unable to understand that a company or a non profit that hires someone to do a job and then they cheat them and defraud them out of their pay is not commiting a crime but having a crime commited against them.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters Lets see some proof of that clap trap? It doesn't matter if we provide you proof or not you will claim that it is some right wing nut website...
You are a prime example of the Obama Zombies... At least Republicans can admit when someone/something in their party is not right... That's the biggest problem conservatives have with liberals is that liberals can do no wrong... | 
10-08-2008, 01:04 PM
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It was oppinion
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters NONE OF WHAT YOU PROVIDED WAS PROOF.
It was oppinion
I suppose this is just opinion as well... http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...lection_v2.pdf | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters ACORN is a non-profit, non-partisan social justice organization with national headquarters in New York, New Orleans and Washington, D.C. To maintain independence, ACORN does not accept government funding and is not tax exempt. Non partisan my ass--they endorsed Obama.
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In Ohio in 2004, four ACORN employees were indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms.[22][23]
In January 2005 two Colorado ACORN workers were sentenced to community service for submitting false voter registrations.[24] ACORN's regional director said, "we find it abhorrent and do everything we can to prevent it from happening."[25]
On November 1, 2006, four part-time ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City, Missouri for voter registration fraud. Prosecutors said the indictments are part of a national investigation.[26] ACORN said in a press release that it is in part responsible in these individuals being caught, has fired them, and has cooperated and publicly supported efforts to look into the validity of the allegations.[27]
ACORN was investigated in 2006 for submitting false voter registrations in St. Louis, Missouri. 1,492 fraudulent voter registrations were identified.[28][29]
In 2007, five Washington state ACORN workers were sentenced to jail time.[30] ACORN agreed to pay King County $25 000 for its investigative costs and acknowledged that the national organization could be subject to criminal prosecution if fraud occurs again. According to King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg, the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."[31][32]
In 2008, the Michigan Secretary of State office told the Detroit Free Press that ACORN had been submitting a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications to vote.[33]
In 2008, the Las Vegas ACORN Office was raided due to voter fraud complaints.[34]
State authorities in Nevada raided ACORN's offices alleging that its canvassers falsified forms with bogus names, fake addresses or famous personalities. The secretary of state's office launched an investigation after noticing that names did not match addresses and that most members of the Dallas Cowboys appeared to be registering in Nevada to vote in November's general election. "We basically had the starting lineup for the Dallas Cowboys," Secretary of State Ross Miller said. "Tony Romo is not registered to vote in Nevada. Anyone trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot."
Just because it's not CORPORATE headquarters involved in the fraud does not mean the company is exempt from the actions that happen OVER AND OVER again from their employees.
If you are a business owner, and your employee cheats someone out of their money, that customer sues you the owner and the company.
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Rep Power: 58 | | | also, people say they don't take government money yet in the first bail out bill 20% of the profits were going to Acorn.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters No I am not defending the people who have defrauded ACORN by fake work and false paperwork.
You are just unable to understand that a company or a non profit that hires someone to do a job and then they cheat them and defraud them out of their pay is not commiting a crime but having a crime commited against them. Rather you defend a company which employs a payroll methodology that by design, has no checks and balances which inherently invites fraud by their employees.
Are you aware that Acorn has been known to use ex-convicts as ‘temporary’ employees?
As to your assertion that Acorn has no culpability for fraud committed by employees there may be exceptions such as; prior knowledge that same or similar crimes have been perpetrated by previous employees under identical circumstances.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters No I am not defending the people who have defrauded ACORN by fake work and false paperwork.
You are just unable to understand that a company or a non profit that hires someone to do a job and then they cheat them and defraud them out of their pay is not commiting a crime but having a crime commited against them. I understand that yomama is on the board and defends in court and at large an organization that has repeatedly been brought to the mat for voter fraud...which HIRES CRIMINALS to enact voter fraud, and which has settled out of court for tens of thousands of dollars to avoid convictions.
You guys would rather say he's an incompetent idiot than accept that he's just criminal.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters No I am not defending the people who have defrauded ACORN by fake work and false paperwork.
You are just unable to understand that a company or a non profit that hires someone to do a job and then they cheat them and defraud them out of their pay is not commiting a crime but having a crime commited against them. Funny that they keep hiring the same types, throughout the country.
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