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10-01-2008, 04:59 PM
|  | Evil Empire Citizen | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Maine
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Iowa residents, aren't you glad you pay for your police to have tasers? NBC TODAY Show - Police Car Hits Armed Man TV Show Video
Personally I think Ford Vs. Ginsu is a little unfair. 
I wasn't aware that attempted vehicular manslaughter was an approved method for subduing criminals. 
(Yes this guy was out of control, but it still doesn't make this right.)
In my opinion this cops is just an 
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10-01-2008, 05:02 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | | | Well, there is a better chance of surviving a hit by a car than the alternative ... gun shot wounds are more painful to.
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10-01-2008, 05:06 PM
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Rep Power: 15 | | | good for the cops..or are they supposed to brew up a pot a tea for the armed man? |
10-01-2008, 05:08 PM
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Rep Power: 35 | | | In my opinion, it looked like an accident. I can't tell what sort of view they had turning into that parking lot, but it seems like they didn't realize he was there until after they turned, because they stop after they nail the crazy fuck.
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10-01-2008, 05:10 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | | | In Seattle we recently had a man wielding a Katana. He was shot of course because he was swinging it like a madman. But then a bunch of people got all angry about it, like the cops had a choice. Who wants to lose their own life at work? So I find these stories just lame really.
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10-01-2008, 05:12 PM
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Rep Power: 15 | | | Cops are in a dammed if you do and a dammed it you don't situation. But every time a cop dies,, we go oh well. |
10-01-2008, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WillowTree  Cops are in a dammed if you do and a dammed it you don't situation. But every time a cop dies,, we go oh well. | That's the sad truth. I mourn for cops lost, they are our last defense.
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10-01-2008, 05:37 PM
| | Evil Empire Citizen | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Maine
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Rep Power: 1 | | Put yourself in the shoes of this guy's family.
Your grandmother, uncle, daughter (whoever) has a history of mental illness, and didn't take his/her medication or something and was out chasing imaginary chickens with a kitchen knife or something crazy like that. 
Some naturally calls the police.
They show up to "protect and serve"
Without ever touching a stun gun (most cops have the stun guns that can be used from a distance, they shoot little electrodes with wires attached.)
Granny in her pharmacological withdrawal induced chicken hunt gets turned into a puddle of granny goop by the cops bumber.
That christmas everyone is sad because they miss granny, and how she used to talk to the turkey during every christmas dinner. 
I'm just saying it could have been handled alot more professionally.
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10-01-2008, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AshamedAmerican Put yourself in the shoes of this guy's family.
Your grandmother, uncle, daughter (whoever) has a history of mental illness, and didn't take his/her medication or something and was out chasing imaginary chickens with a kitchen knife or something crazy like that.
Some naturally calls the police.
They show up to "protect and serve"
Without ever touching a stun gun (most cops have the stun guns that can be used from a distance, they shoot little electrodes with wires attached.)
Granny in her pharmacological withdrawal induced chicken hunt gets turned into a puddle of granny goop by the cops bumber.
That christmas everyone is sad because they miss granny, and how she used to talk to the turkey during every christmas dinner.
I'm just saying it could have been handled alot more professionally. | To the stun guns:
1. They are not fully effective and many criminals just shrug them off.
2. Do you know how many lawsuits that occur even when they use them.
Also, protect and serve extends to themselves. Put yourself in the cops shoes as well. I have mental disorders and I won't take meds because the meds make me crazy while the disorder only makes me isolate. So yeah, I have been in his shoes. As for family, they are probably just looking for an excuse to sue if they do. If not then they are smart enough to realize the simple fact of life: people die, get hurt, and even make horrible mistakes.
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10-01-2008, 05:43 PM
| | Too much socket time! | | Join Date: Sep 2008
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Rep Power: 15 | | | the guy clearly turned around and attempted to jump up onto a moving police car. do stun guns work through windshields? |
10-01-2008, 06:15 PM
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Rep Power: 1 | | | You both have very good, valid points.
The guy DID jump on a cop car, then a second car (which should have known there was a crazy guy near,cops have radios) rams the poor s.o.b.
Look, when a cop gets hurt on the job I feel bad for them too.
But when those cops go around hurting others I don't defend the cops.
Intent is clearly the deciding factor, and nobody but that cop knows if he really meant to hit him, or honestly didn't see him until it was too late.
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"democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." -Thomas Jefferson
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
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10-01-2008, 06:20 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | | | Police who overstep the boundries do need to be punished, but not all cops need to punished for the few who do.
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10-01-2008, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KittenKoder Police who overstep the boundries do need to be punished, but not all cops need to punished for the few who do. | I agree with that statement 100% I never said this cop should be punished.
I did say "In my opinion this cops is just an " but then again I think all people that don't know how to drive are...  jk
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
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10-01-2008, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AshamedAmerican You both have very good, valid points.
The guy DID jump on a cop car, then a second car (which should have known there was a crazy guy near,cops have radios) rams the poor s.o.b.
Look, when a cop gets hurt on the job I feel bad for them too.
But when those cops go around hurting others I don't defend the cops.
Intent is clearly the deciding factor, and nobody but that cop knows if he really meant to hit him, or honestly didn't see him until it was too late. | so what's your point then, assuming you have one?
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10-01-2008, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AshamedAmerican I agree with that statement 100% I never said this cop should be punished.
I did say "In my opinion this cops is just an " but then again I think all people that don't know how to drive are... jk | At the risk of sounding like a parrot, I agree with that last part to ... 
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