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Salem / Saleem or how ever you want to spell it.

Is a very common name among muslim men.

I have known several at the mosque. ..

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I get exactly what you say, and used the same explanation to point out to Sunni that the name Salem on a grave cannot be used to identify the person as Muslim just because it is SIMILAR to SALEEM.
Do you get it?
Did you or did you not post this:
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Explain that to Sunni. He thinks Muslim's have a lock on the name Salem. Peter Salem sounds more like a Jewish/ Christian name to me.
?

OK then.
Geeze, you're argumentative.
If Sunni thinks someone is Muslim based on the name Peter or Salem, I suggested the names could be something other than Muslim.
In other words:
Here lies Peter Salem.
Based on that^ information, Is Pete Muslim, Christian, Jew or Ethiopian?
Does either name clinch Muslim for you?
It doesn't for me either.
It seems to for Sunni.
Now do you get it?
And can we get back to the topic? I'm waiting for Sunni to answer my question about insulting Islam.
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Did you or did you not post this:


?

OK then.
Geeze, you're argumentative.
If Sunni thinks someone is Muslim based on the name Peter or Salem, I suggested the names could be something other than Muslim.
In other words:
Here lies Peter Salem.
Based on that^ information, Is Pete Muslim, Christian, Jew or Ethiopian? Does either name clinch Muslim for you?
I have known several muslims name Salem.

It is a very common first or last name among muslim men.

But I have never meet a Christian or a Jew named Salem.

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Thousands rally in UK to demand end to anti-Islam speeches - thenews.com.pk

Interesting the western media totally ignored this
Interesting.

The title of the thread says: British Muslims demand insulting Islam be outlawed

The article says:
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The participants, who also travelled from several parts of European cities, were led in a peaceful and colourful mile-long march by Hazrat Peer Alauddin Siddiqui. This is the fourth consecutive gathering for the biggest Melaad-un-Nabi (PBUH) of British Pakistanis in Britain but this year it was dedicated to “protect the honour and legacy of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH)”. Speakers included interfaith leaders from Christian, Hindu, Sikh, and Jewish religions and parliamentarians from Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrats. Sardar Attique Khan, former Azad Kashmir prime minister, was the chief guest of the rally.

Hazrat Peer Alauddin Siddiqui, who is a renowned Sufi scholar, told Geo News: “Thousands have come together to show peacefully to the western world that the production and promotion of a recent film insulting Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has caused hurt to Muslims all over the world. We are a peaceful community and we will do everything to protect peace and respect for all on equal basis. It’s not fair that some people insult Islam everyday and preach hatred through their actions and words but the lack of legislation encourages such elements. We want to tell our government that we welcome debate and constructive criticism of our religion but insults are unacceptable and inflammatory language is contributing to the rise of extremism amongst youth in western countries where youth mistakenly believe that the West hates Islam and Muslims.”
Two things come to mind: they are peacefully protesting.

And, the type of rhetoric they are protesting against is typically called "hate speech" in some countries and is backed by such laws as "holocaust denial".

Peacefully protesting is good. So what's the issue?
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Did you or did you not post this:

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Peter Salem sounds more like a Jewish/ Christian name to me.
?

OK then.
Geeze, you're argumentative.
Of course. I'm Irish.


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If Sunni thinks someone is Muslim based on the name Peter or Salem, I suggested the names could be something other than Muslim.
In other words:
Here lies Peter Salem.
Based on that^ information, Is Pete Muslim, Christian, Jew or Ethiopian? Does either name clinch Muslim for you?
It doesn't for me either.
Now do you get it?
And can we get back to the topic? I'm waiting for Sunni to answer my question about insulting Islam.
Yeah I get it. You're nitpicking one name out of a paragraph of several, conveniently forgetting the sentence that follows it: "Other Continental soldiers with Islamic names include Salem Poor, Yusuf Ben Ali, Bampett Muhamed, Francis Saba and Joseph Saba." to make the same point --- all of which is a quote from somebody else anyway, which you then project onto the poster.

Whatever. You started this tangent with
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As in Jeru-Salem?
-- which plainly makes no point, but seems to imply that because a city that's now in Israel has the suffix "Salem" in it, then it must be a Jewish name. So I called bullshit.
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Heck, back in 17th and 18th century A.D. colonial America, blacks were given all sorts of oddball names, weren't they? Some of 'em were named after horses and farm-animal pets, some of 'em were named after figures from Classical Antiquity (Caesar, Hannibal, Cicero), some of 'em were named after figures from Arabian or Mongol or Asia-Indian or American Native history, some of 'em were named after place-names (Lincoln, Salem, Bethlehem), some of 'em were named after any ol' thing under the sun... my money is on a black named 'Salem' being named after Salem, Massachusetts or some-such. I seriously doubt that it was anything even remotely close to "Saleem" - no sale. Still - in the end, it's of little consequence, as is the microscopically small contribution of Islam to the founding of the United States.
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Geeze, you're argumentative.
If Sunni thinks someone is Muslim based on the name Peter or Salem, I suggested the names could be something other than Muslim.
In other words:
Here lies Peter Salem.
Based on that^ information, Is Pete Muslim, Christian, Jew or Ethiopian? Does either name clinch Muslim for you?
I have known several muslims name Salem.

It is a very common first or last name among muslim men.

But I have never meet a Christian or a Jew named Salem.

Have you Irish Ram?? ..
You can friend them by the dozens on facebook.......
Pete, Mary Ann, Benjamin, Cody,

But back on topic Sunni,
Do you think we should also pass law regarding insulting of Islam? What should the punishment be if someone insults Islam or Mohammad?
Should we also punish those who insult Jews?
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But back on topic Sunni,
Do you think we should also pass law regarding insulting of Islam? What should the punishment be if someone insults Islam or Mohammad?
Should we also punish those who insult Jews?
You need to take your Christian hate some where else Irish Ram ..

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I have known several muslims name Salem.

It is a very common first or last name among muslim men.

But I have never meet a Christian or a Jew named Salem.

Have you Irish Ram?? ..
You can friend them by the dozens on facebook.......
Pete, Mary Ann, Benjamin, Cody,

But back on topic Sunni,
Do you think we should also pass law regarding insulting of Islam? What should the punishment be if someone insults Islam or Mohammad?
Should we also punish those who insult Jews?
Since your name is Irish Ram - are you an Irish citizen? Or American? In the US we would never pass such a law. Freedom of speech - even the most hateful moronic speech - is enshrined. Where the line is drawn is if it involves inciting a riot or libel or slander. I tend to agree with it to the extent that if it is not allowed, the hatred is driven underground and away from the light of truth. It also legitimizes the views of those people and allows them to portray themselves as victims.

Other countries do not have quite that freedom - for example holocaust denial is a crime in some European countries while in some Muslim countries insulting Mohammed is a crime. Neither of which I agree with.
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Geeze, you're argumentative.
Of course. I'm Irish.




Yeah I get it. You're nitpicking one name out of a paragraph of several, conveniently forgetting the sentence that follows it: "Other Continental soldiers with Islamic names include Salem Poor, Yusuf Ben Ali, Bampett Muhamed, Francis Saba and Joseph Saba." to make the same point --- all of which is a quote from somebody else anyway, which you then project onto the poster.

Whatever. You started this tangent with
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As in Jeru-Salem?
-- which plainly makes no point, but seems to imply that because a city that's now in Israel has the suffix "Salem" in it, then it must be a Jewish name. So I called bullshit.
I rarely get passed the first sentence of Sunni's posts before I have to correct something, so the first name I saw was Peter Salem.
My short tongue in cheek response was, "As in Jeru Salem?" Because that "city" in Israel was CALLED SALEM IN ANCIENT TIMES, you little Irish butthead.

It was the perfect example of how Salem does not fall into the category of Muslim exclusivity, if one has even the slightest knowledge of "the city" that's now in Israel.
I call your Bullshit and raise you to Sunni's level.
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Of course. I'm Irish.




Yeah I get it. You're nitpicking one name out of a paragraph of several, conveniently forgetting the sentence that follows it: "Other Continental soldiers with Islamic names include Salem Poor, Yusuf Ben Ali, Bampett Muhamed, Francis Saba and Joseph Saba." to make the same point --- all of which is a quote from somebody else anyway, which you then project onto the poster.

Whatever. You started this tangent with

-- which plainly makes no point, but seems to imply that because a city that's now in Israel has the suffix "Salem" in it, then it must be a Jewish name. So I called bullshit.
I rarely get passed the first sentence of Sunni's posts before I have to correct something, so the first name I saw was Peter Salem.
My short tongue in cheek response was, "As in Jeru Salem?" Because that "city" that is now in Israel was CALLED SALEM IN ANCIENT TIMES, you little Irish butthead.

It was the perfect example of how Salem does not fall into the category of Muslim exclusivity, if one has even the slightest knowledge of "the city" that's now in Israel.
I call your Bullshit and raise you to Sunni's level.
Oh please. I called you on your BS, now wear it. No one claimed "Muslim exclusivity" so now I raise you a strawman.
I already noted that that city goes back to the Bronze Age. That's got zero to do with Peter Salem in the fricking 18th century.
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Um...............
Yeah I know. I thought it, you said it.

He put city in quotes too. Guess he thinks Jerusalem isn't a real city. Whatever.
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But back on topic Sunni,
Do you think we should also pass law regarding insulting of Islam? What should the punishment be if someone insults Islam or Mohammad?
Should we also punish those who insult Jews?
Since your name is Irish Ram - are you an Irish citizen? Or American? In the US we would never pass such a law. Freedom of speech - even the most hateful moronic speech - is enshrined. Where the line is drawn is if it involves inciting a riot or libel or slander. I tend to agree with it to the extent that if it is not allowed, the hatred is driven underground and away from the light of truth. It also legitimizes the views of those people and allows them to portray themselves as victims.

Other countries do not have quite that freedom - for example holocaust denial is a crime in some European countries while in some Muslim countries insulting Mohammed is a crime. Neither of which I agree with.
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And while I would love to believe that freedom of speech is sacred in this country, (like our right to bear arms is safe ) even free speech is being undermined. You can go to jail for "hate speech" now with no definition of what hate crimes encompass.
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Philadelphia grandmothers thrown in jail in Pennsylvania under that state’s “hate crimes” law for testifying in public about their Christian faith.
Rights and political correctness are clashing, and one rules the day at the expense of the other.
I certainly don't want the Muslim Brotherhood, on Obama's staff defining what is acceptable to them, concerning what comes out of my mouth, but that is where we are at, and I see no swell of patriotism challenging it.

I disagree with what you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it,
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Since your name is Irish Ram - are you an Irish citizen? Or American? In the US we would never pass such a law. Freedom of speech - even the most hateful moronic speech - is enshrined. Where the line is drawn is if it involves inciting a riot or libel or slander. I tend to agree with it to the extent that if it is not allowed, the hatred is driven underground and away from the light of truth. It also legitimizes the views of those people and allows them to portray themselves as victims.

Other countries do not have quite that freedom - for example holocaust denial is a crime in some European countries while in some Muslim countries insulting Mohammed is a crime. Neither of which I agree with.
The Irish Ram is the name of one of my Irish ancestor's ships. They were Irish Americans before there was a United States. They used trees that they girdled to define the parameters of the land they cleared as did other settlers in the early 1600's. We've been here ever since, but visit the rest of the family back in Moneymore when we get the chance.


And while I would love to believe that freedom of speech is sacred in this country, (like our right to bear arms is safe ) even free speech is being undermined. You can go to jail for "hate speech" now with no definition of what hate crimes encompass.
e.g.
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Philadelphia grandmothers thrown in jail in Pennsylvania under that state’s “hate crimes” law for testifying in public about their Christian faith.
Rights and political correctness are clashing, and one rules the day at the expense of the other.
I certainly don't want the Muslim Brotherhood, on Obama's staff defining what is acceptable to them, concerning what comes out of my mouth, but that is where we are at, and I see no swell of patriotism challenging it.

I disagree with what you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it,
has long since been set aside, in favor of the overly offended.
Do you have a reputable link to the Philadelphia claim? I can only find WND which is not a good source.

Why on earth would the MB be defining anything in this country nor do I see Obama restricting free speech. Given our freedom to say the foulest things I have no fear free speech will be compromised here.
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