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Fun Facts of Deception:


The movie title under the set was called "Desert Warrior" and within this video the name of Muhammad was dubbed in the video as the actors/actresses spoke. Not only that the actress that was supposed to play "Muhammad's 9 year-old wife" was actually a 20 year old actress. Cindy Lee Garcia one of the actresses in the film states the following:

Garcia: "The actors were deceived. My voice was dubbed and it wasn’t even my voice. I had no idea he did that until the trailer came out. My only part was the role of a mother talking to her husband, her daughter and this man named Master George. I have the full script of what I said. They were saying, ‘Praise God, praise god,’ because my daughter was going to be given in marriage to this man called Master George by my husband, so I mocked him for worshipping this man. They dubbed ‘Master George’ to say ‘Muhammad.’

She also adds:

Garcia: "I called him the morning that all this violence broke out in Libya and asked him, ‘why did you do this?’ He said, ‘Cindy, tell the world that you’re innocent.’ He said to say that he’s the writer and he did it because he’s tired of radical Muslims attacking innocent people, and that he was from Israel. But when I was down there doing the movie he said he was from Egypt."

She also continues when asked if this movie is the blame for the riots and killings:

Garcia: "It pushed a lot of buttons, and that was intentional, but I don’t know if he meant for the ambassador to be killed. He has a price to pay, this Mr. Bacile, maybe not here on earth, but he’ll stand before God one day for what he has done."

Then she finally adds:

Garcia: "I feel really bad for the innocent people who died. I was on national television offering my condolences and pleading with the Muslims to please stop attacking innocent people. It wasn't our fault or the fault of the people over there that they killed. It was one man, Sam Bacile, who instigated this whole thing."

See Article:'Innocence of Muslims' Actress: Director 'Will Stand Before God for What He Has Done' (Q&A) - The Hollywood Reporter
When George Lucas filmed Star Wars he had David Prowse say all the lines of Darth Vader. He didn't know until the day it was released that his entire role had been overdubbed. Not only that, Lucas went to court and got an order blocking Prowse from attending any offical Star Wars event held in the entire freaking world.

Unless you are as outraged about that as you pretend to be about what happened with Innocence of Muslims, which I highly doubt since you never started a thread about it, you are nothing but a scared little boy trying to hide behind his little sister so he doesn't get beaten up.
Ok what does dubbing the film "Innocence of Muslims" have to do with Star Wars too completely different genres and nice attempt at insulting me but you really haven't argued anything kid.
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no one forces them to look at the film
you know, i seem to remember 'christians' losing their minds when the movie "the last temptation of christ' was made.

and no, no one blew anything up, that's inexcusable...
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but then again, killing abortion doctor is inexcusable, too.
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The movie title under the set was called "Desert Warrior" and within this video the name of Muhammad was dubbed in the video as the actors/actresses spoke. Not only that the actress that was supposed to play "Muhammad's 9 year-old wife" was actually a 20 year old actress. Cindy Lee Garcia one of the actresses in the film states the following:

Garcia: "The actors were deceived. My voice was dubbed and it wasn’t even my voice. I had no idea he did that until the trailer came out. My only part was the role of a mother talking to her husband, her daughter and this man named Master George. I have the full script of what I said. They were saying, ‘Praise God, praise god,’ because my daughter was going to be given in marriage to this man called Master George by my husband, so I mocked him for worshipping this man. They dubbed ‘Master George’ to say ‘Muhammad.’

She also adds:

Garcia: "I called him the morning that all this violence broke out in Libya and asked him, ‘why did you do this?’ He said, ‘Cindy, tell the world that you’re innocent.’ He said to say that he’s the writer and he did it because he’s tired of radical Muslims attacking innocent people, and that he was from Israel. But when I was down there doing the movie he said he was from Egypt."

She also continues when asked if this movie is the blame for the riots and killings:

Garcia: "It pushed a lot of buttons, and that was intentional, but I don’t know if he meant for the ambassador to be killed. He has a price to pay, this Mr. Bacile, maybe not here on earth, but he’ll stand before God one day for what he has done."

Then she finally adds:

Garcia: "I feel really bad for the innocent people who died. I was on national television offering my condolences and pleading with the Muslims to please stop attacking innocent people. It wasn't our fault or the fault of the people over there that they killed. It was one man, Sam Bacile, who instigated this whole thing."

See Article:'Innocence of Muslims' Actress: Director 'Will Stand Before God for What He Has Done' (Q&A) - The Hollywood Reporter
When George Lucas filmed Star Wars he had David Prowse say all the lines of Darth Vader. He didn't know until the day it was released that his entire role had been overdubbed. Not only that, Lucas went to court and got an order blocking Prowse from attending any offical Star Wars event held in the entire freaking world.

Unless you are as outraged about that as you pretend to be about what happened with Innocence of Muslims, which I highly doubt since you never started a thread about it, you are nothing but a scared little boy trying to hide behind his little sister so he doesn't get beaten up.
Ok what does dubbing the film "Innocence of Muslims" have to do with Star Wars too completely different genres and nice attempt at insulting me but you really haven't argued anything kid.
I wasn't trying to argue anything, so my complete failure to accomplish that means squat. What I was doing was pointing out how stupid it is to pretend that the reason the film is despicable is because the actors lines were overdubbed, that happens all the time.
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no one forces them to look at the film
you know, i seem to remember 'christians' losing their minds when the movie "the last temptation of christ' was made.

and no, no one blew anything up, that's inexcusable...
You remember Christians rioting in the streets, burning flags, and killing people? What planet was that, on Earth none of that happened. Anyone that tires to draw a comparison between the reaction of Christians to Last and the reaction of Muslims to Innocence is a hack.
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When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything -- you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.
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Thie guy made a movie. And a crappy one at that. Certainly didn't cause the murders. People need to stop giving it attention.
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Thie guy made a movie. And a crappy one at that. Certainly didn't cause the murders. People need to stop giving it attention.
I have to go with inciting a riot here. As badly done as the "movie" is, it clearly wasn't made just to let the director blow off steam. It was done to either give propaganda fodder to those that hate muslims, or to piss muslims off, or both.

You do know that he was convicted of fraud and as part of his sentence he's not allowed to get online at all, much less post a hate-filled pile of shit movie.

He claims the film cost him a million dollars, but estimates are that the trash only cost about $65,000. It looks like he ripped off his sponsors for about $935,000.

He's got some jail time coming. Jail time won't be happyfunplaytime.
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Christians say they are offended. Muslims kill people. Same thing, to liberals.
Pleae try and post honestly, Katz, really.

It just seems like your every post these day begins with Lie City, then takes a bus to Crazyville.
You made the comparison yourself. You said that Christians protested over The Last Temptation of Christ. Muslims raped and murdered our ambassador, they cheered over dragging his body. Is that the same thing to you? Do they have moral equality?
No, of course it isn't the samg thing, and I didn't say it was the same thing!!!

Which is what I meant about posting honestly.
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Pleae try and post honestly, Katz, really.

It just seems like your every post these day begins with Lie City, then takes a bus to Crazyville.
You made the comparison yourself. You said that Christians protested over The Last Temptation of Christ. Muslims raped and murdered our ambassador, they cheered over dragging his body. Is that the same thing to you? Do they have moral equality?
No, of course it isn't the samg thing, and I didn't say it was the same thing!!!

Which is what I meant about posting honestly.
The ambassador wasn't raped and dragged through the streets. I don't know why the poster katzndogs posts such lies unless he himself is a terrorist.
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There's no such thing as "taking free speech overboard". This film, as ridiculous as it is, is protected under the 1st amendment. End of.

Extremist Muslims have no grounds whatsoever to hold the world hostage every time their religion gets insulted when they themselves insult other religions as well as persecute those that don't believe in religion at all.
As I said in the yelling fire in crowded theater, this man dubbed a different voice from the actors in his film, deceived the actors all in the principle of free speech. This really wasn't free speech he is inciting violence. You right there is no excuse for violent reaction but the thing is that was his purpose so that he can prove to the world through rightwing vitriol that radical are incapable of non-violence. The problem is the radicals on both sides...One side using rightwing vitriol in saying that this man is execising free speech and the other side is focused on honor of their faith and violent retribution.
Every thing he did is PROTECTED SPEECH. And you would sell out our rights because of ignorant Muslims.
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What the muslims want and why they are rioting around the world is because we do not have laws prohibiting blasphemy against islam. You have to dig deep and ask yourself if you would want to see blasphemy against the prophet and islam criminally prosecuted. To the American ideal, we have an absolute right to blaspheme any religion. We blaspheme Christ all the time. We should have an equal right to blaspheme mohammed. If muslims get sufficiently violent are you ready to give up that right and have a special law carved out for islam?

If you are, then take the next step, are you ready to give up your right to shave or wear a bikini if it would stop muslim violence?
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Thie guy made a movie. And a crappy one at that. Certainly didn't cause the murders. People need to stop giving it attention.
I have to go with inciting a riot here. As badly done as the "movie" is, it clearly wasn't made just to let the director blow off steam. It was done to either give propaganda fodder to those that hate muslims, or to piss muslims off, or both.

You do know that he was convicted of fraud and as part of his sentence he's not allowed to get online at all, much less post a hate-filled pile of shit movie.

He claims the film cost him a million dollars, but estimates are that the trash only cost about $65,000. It looks like he ripped off his sponsors for about $935,000.

He's got some jail time coming. Jail time won't be happyfunplaytime.
I have to go with you are an idiot.

In order to be charged with inciting a riot the guy who made the film would have to be in front of a crowd urging them to commit violence.
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You made the comparison yourself. You said that Christians protested over The Last Temptation of Christ. Muslims raped and murdered our ambassador, they cheered over dragging his body. Is that the same thing to you? Do they have moral equality?
No, of course it isn't the samg thing, and I didn't say it was the same thing!!!

Which is what I meant about posting honestly.
The ambassador wasn't raped and dragged through the streets. I don't know why the poster katzndogs posts such lies unless he himself is a terrorist.
There are actual pictures of him being dragged through the streets, I posted a few myself. There are also reports that he was sodomized with a pole or a knife. I will give you that the rape is not proven, but there is no way any honest person can say he was not dragged through the streets.
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When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything -- you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.
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