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Oh look...the Labor Day organizers have the Supreme Court on their side...
The United States Supreme Court, in a rare 9-0 decision, ruled that parades are protected under the First Amendment, and as such, the state could not compel organizers to include groups with messages the organizers disfavored. Justice Souter, writing for the Court, noted, "The state court's application [of the public accommodation law] however, had the effect of declaring the sponsor's speech itself to be the public accommodation."

"Under the free speech guarantees of the Federal Constitution's First Amendment, (1) the law is not free to interfere with speech for no better reason than promoting an approved message or discouraging a disfavored one, however enlightened either purpose may strike the government, and (2) disapproval of a private speaker's statement does not legitimize use of the government's power to compel the speaker to alter the message by including one more acceptable to others."

The Court also observed, "Assuming a parade to be large enough and to be a source of public benefits, apart from the parade's expression, that would normally justify application to the parade of a mandated access provision, a group can nonetheless, consistent with the free speech guarantee of the First Amendment, be refused admission to the parade as an expressive contingent with its own message just as readily as a private club can exclude an applicant whose manifest views are at odds with a position taken by the club's existing members."
Yeah, an Anti-Government Labor Day Parade. Good one. Will they be checking ID's on the street too? How about outgrowing the hypocrisy after getting over your tantrums.
Their decision to exclude the ANTI LABOR representatives from a Labor Day parade has the 9-0 support of the Supreme Court. Whine, cry, rail and spit all you want to, but it's there in black and white.
1) It is a Labor Day Parade, not a Union Day Parade
2) Please show me where the GOP is againt "labor"....dont bother, you cant
3) I am sure you were on the side of the NYC St. Paticks Day parade organizers when they wanted to ban gay participants......Yes?
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I would be OK with it IF the unions were paying the bill. Since they are getting government support, the government gets to decide who gets to be there. Get it?
You are correct Ernie, we had this same problem with a KKK group in Georgia. If there is government funding involved, no group can be excluded. The Supreme Court Decision was based on a private group paying the tab. Now if it is indeed a private event, anyone can be excluded. The New York St. Patty's Day Parade is sponsored by a private group, it appears the one in Wisconsin is not.

Our parade was cancelled, two local community groups have sponsored it since, thus being able to limit participation.

Where the heck is the ACLU on this?? Shouldn't they be defending the GOPs right to participate???
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The Marathon County Central Labor Council, which sponsors the parade, includes some 30 local unions.
Thank you, if there is only private funding paying for the event they can "invite" who they want.

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I would be OK with it IF the unions were paying the bill. Since they are getting government support, the government gets to decide who gets to be there. Get it?
You are correct Ernie, we had this same problem with a KKK group in Georgia. If there is government funding involved, no group can be excluded. The Supreme Court Decision was based on a private group paying the tab. Now if it is indeed a private event, anyone can be excluded. The New York St. Patty's Day Parade is sponsored by a private group, it appears the one in Wisconsin is not.

Our parade was cancelled, two local community groups have sponsored it since, thus being able to limit participation.

Where the heck is the ACLU on this?? Shouldn't they be defending the GOPs right to participate???
I'm just posting to confirm that this is the case.

Its a public event and they can't bar the GOP unless they forfeit public funding. There is precedent in our court system, like was said that KKK group case.


On a side note just how "Liberal" is it to bar a group because they have different beliefs and views than you?
I agree, under the circumstances it's probably not a good move for the Union's case. Perhaps it's a good thing to prevent any further calamity especially when kids are going to be there. It's a shame they are showing those young people such an horrible example.
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The faux-rage on this is fucking hilarious.

What next, outrage over a black pride parade banning KKK members?

or outrage over a Planned Parenthood function banning members of the AFA?

Get a fucking clue dipshits!
So are you saying that labor day is to honor ONLY union members?
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The faux-rage on this is fucking hilarious.

What next, outrage over a black pride parade banning KKK members?

or outrage over a Planned Parenthood function banning members of the AFA?

Get a fucking clue dipshits!
So are you saying that labor day is to honor ONLY union members?
I'm pretty sure I never said nor implied any such thing.

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Every single Republican policy is designed to crush the American worker. Republicans have their own party. It's called the Tea Party. Most of those people seem to be on Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid. Many are too fat to walk far. Better they stay at home.
Why that's a pretty strong statement. I guess your passion for Unions and Dems is clouding your ability to be open minded.
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Every single Republican policy is designed to crush the American worker. Republicans have their own party. It's called the Tea Party. Most of those people seem to be on Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid. Many are too fat to walk far. Better they stay at home.
Why that's a pretty strong statement. I guess your passion for Unions and Dems is clouding your ability to be open minded.
No, it's true. The only thing standing between the complete corporate takeover of this country is the American labor movement. The private sector has been waging war on the American worker for decades. And the American worker, as well as our country, is losing.

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[quote=naturegirlWhere the heck is the ACLU on this?? Shouldn't they be defending the GOPs right to participate???[/QUOTE]

They are busy working for the rights of grown men to victimize young boys...

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Wausau Mayor Jim Tipple stated that such behavior won’t be tolerated, because the city pays for the insurance and provides other services for the event. Tipple noted:

The banning of a political party from participation at any event co-sponsored by the City is against public policy and not in the best interest of all the citizens of the City of Wausau. And therefore, we encourage the event organizer to invite all interested parties, or reimburse the city for other costs.

There’s another reason for this, perhaps hinted at in the “not in the best interest” phrase: the First Amendment right of assembly. Since the city government is involved in the event, if they ban Republicans, it would be an interesting court case, to say the least.
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Every single Republican policy is designed to crush the American worker. Republicans have their own party. It's called the Tea Party. Most of those people seem to be on Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid. Many are too fat to walk far. Better they stay at home.
Why that's a pretty strong statement. I guess your passion for Unions and Dems is clouding your ability to be open minded.
No, it's true. The only thing standing between the complete corporate takeover of this country is the American labor movement. The private sector has been waging war on the American worker for decades. And the American worker, as well as our country, is losing.
Sir, (I think you are a sir). You are sadly mistaken. You are so filled with hate for your brother, you can't begin to understand how ridiculous a statement like that sounds.

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Quote: Originally Posted by naturegirlWhere the heck is the ACLU on this?? Shouldn't they be defending the GOPs right to participate???[/quote

They are busy working for the rights of grown men to victimize young boys...

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The banning of a political party from participation at any event co-sponsored by the City is against public policy and not in the best interest of all the citizens of the City of Wausau. And therefore, we encourage the event organizer to invite all interested parties, or reimburse the city for other costs.

There’s another reason for this, perhaps hinted at in the “not in the best interest” phrase: the First Amendment right of assembly. Since the city government is involved in the event, if they ban Republicans, it would be an interesting court case, to say the least.
If there are government funds involved, why yes, it would be a great court case.
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Labor is an anathema to Republicans, as they place a much higher value on Corporate Executives over working people.
It is what it is. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Republicans send a message that they're the enemy? Fine. Message received, asshole(s).

Not including them sends a big old message that the Republicans would have to be a special kind of stupid to ignore.

.... And they are, so. This should prove interesting.

I wonder what message the Irene victims are sending to Cantor.
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Labor is an anathema to Republicans, as they place a much higher value on Corporate Executives over working people.
Without workers, corporations could not survive. Not everyone is a Corporate Executive, you need to talk to those IT guys and line workers to see how much they are being paid in non-union positions. I think you might be surprised.
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Labor is an anathema to Republicans, as they place a much higher value on Corporate Executives over working people.
Without workers, corporations could not survive. Not everyone is a Corporate Executive, you need to talk to those IT guys and line workers to see how much they are being paid in non-union positions. I think you might be surprised.
I'm a non-union, non-executive. I bet I make more than 95% of union workers in this country.

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Labor is an anathema to Republicans, as they place a much higher value on Corporate Executives over working people.
Pretty bold statement.

Seeing as there is a limited number of corporate executives that vote in this country and a vast number of non coproate executives that vote in this country....for your claim to be correct, I would expect to see a democrat win every election for every position in every town, county state and the country overall by a margin of about 98%-2%

But seeing as the spra\ead is generally within 6 points, I must assume your claim is incorrect.

In other words......stop believing the talking points...start applying your own abiolity to reason.
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