Terrorist Aquited on over 200 counts.

I've had to have said this at least 100 times. The world changed on 9-11-01 and if we don't accept that as fact and do a little changing with it then this great experiment called the USA will fail.

For decades we treated terrorists as criminals, we said it was a police problem. President Bush, if nothing else, will be remembered as the President who made terrorism a Military problem, and declared the terrorist not criminals but the enemy. We need to remember that they want us dead, not just you and I, but our friends and families as well.

They are in deed and in fact our enemy.

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I hate to say it that is better than the policy of "just shoot everyone you come in contact because they might be terrorists".

My apologies, but I have a frigging problem with treating every human being in the middle east as something to be squashed under our feet. If that is your intention then you guys may as well just send a frigging atomic bomb over there and get this thing over with.

Immie

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Agreed. We need to distinguish between Act's of War, Illegal Act's of War, And Civil Crime.

Torture doesn't work, when you're tortured you'd sell your granny to save yourself

Didn't Obama even do that before being Tortured. Tortured by having to answer a direct question.

About the failure of the American intelligence community to gather any reliable evidence through any means they're willing to have brought out into the light?

Surely you see the problem with this? Why not simply allow their reports to be entered into evidence?



Surely you see the feasibility concerns when it comes to this? This is where there is a case for tribunals- they can be held anywhere our military is present, from what I understand.

so Mcveigh's not a criminal?

Was the continental army an army? Were they soldiers? Or were they criminals, saboteurs, and terrorists? Depends what side you were on. Just like Bush's 'enemy combatants', they're just labels applied to serve one's own purposes.A stray bomb or bullet is 'collateral damage'. WTC or Dresden is targeting civilians. There is difference.Depends on what they do. If Private Smith razes a Vietnamese village and kills the women and children, it's a different matter than if he only fires on armed persons present a clear and present danger.Fail. It's applying one standard equally. You're the one applying moral relativism by claiming that when they do it, it;'s bas but when we do it, that's somehow 'different'. Is OBL and his ilk are successful in creating a world caliphate, someone exactly like you will say the exact same thing you did- but they'll be throwing a fit about comparing an honourable Jihadi fighting the infidels to an evil Westerner terrorist and neocolonialist.


Ideally, I would have seen a German court convict Hitler and his ilk for their crimes. Just as I would see, ideally, a court in a muslim country convict OBl and his ilk. For a number of legal, ethical, and sociological reasons.

Nothing changed on 9-11.

We’ve been told that 9/11 changed everything.
Is it true?
Let’s look:

• The Afghanistan war was planned before 9/11 (see this and this)

• The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11. Indeed, former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted “crap” in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill – who sat on the National Security Council – also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before9/11. And top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change one month after Bush took office

• Cheney apparently even made Iraqi’s oil fields a national security priority before 9/11

• The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11

• Cheney dreamed of giving the White House the powers of a monarch long before 9/11

• Cheney and Rumsfeld actively generated fake intelligence which exaggerated the threat from an enemy in order to justify huge amounts of military spending long before 9/11. And see this

• Cheney and the rest of the neocons lamented – before 9/11 – that America could not truly project its power globally without the justification of a “new Pearl Harbor”

• The government’s spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here and here. And see this)

• The decision to threaten to bomb Iran was made before 9/11

• The government knew that terrorists could use planes as weapons — and had even run its own drills of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, using REAL airplanes — all before 9/11

• The government heard the 9/11 plans from the hijackers’ own mouths before 9/11

• Cheney was in charge of all counter-terrorism programs for the United States before (and on) 9/11. See this Department of State announcement, this CNN article and this essay

• It was known long before 9/11 that torture doesn’t work to produce accurate intelligence, but is an effective way to terrorize people

So did 9/11 really “change everything”? Or was it simply an excuse to implement existing plans?


source

THIS: http://web.archive.org/web/200304230...sapa.911.p.htm

in NO WAY establishes this: "The Patriot Act was planned."

So, it would appear that your entire post is unworthy of being taken very seriously.

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No. He's not. He's nothing. He's dead.

He WAS a criminal, however.

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http://www.fair.org/blog/2010/11/19/...th-the-courts/

1)Soldiers in the field of battle does not equate to "the intelligence community".

2)Since when have military tribunals ever been "show trials" put on by the right? Nice strawman.

3) Their "reports" can be entered into court, but will be shredded by any lawyer when the witness is not there to cross examine.

4) I know "lots of people are denied bail", but since we're now treating terrorists as regular criminals with constitutional rights, who is to say they will never be given bail?

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Gee, thats reassuring.

Yea, treating foreign terrorists like the war criminals they are is "un-American".

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