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The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.
Spoken like someone who has no clue how healthcare in this country works. I guess you're lucky that you've never had cancer before and been denied claims. Consider yourself very lucky..
So you honestly think there are no people in this country. Who could afford to insure themselves but choose instead to have large screen TV's. high speed internet, 2 cars, and all the modern gadgets?

Sure there are people that genuinely need help, but there are people who could afford it themselves but simply choose to spend their money on other things. Especially among people 18 to 26. Who are counted in the number of uninsured, but who if single could insure themselves for about 150 bucks a month. Which when compared to all the things we spend our money on each month. Is not much at all.
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The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.
Spoken like someone who has no clue how healthcare in this country works. I guess you're lucky that you've never had cancer before and been denied claims. Consider yourself very lucky..
So you honestly think there are no people in this country. Who could afford to insure themselves but choose instead to have large screen TV's. high speed internet, 2 cars, and all the modern gadgets?

Sure there are people that genuinely need help, but there are people who could afford it themselves but simply choose to spend their money on other things. Especially among people 18 to 26. Who are counted in the number of uninsured, but who if single could insure themselves for about 150 bucks a month. Which when compared to all the things we spend our money on each month. Is not much at all.
Of course there are people like you describe. But rejecting healthcare reform which would help millions of people who genuinely DO need help because of these people is ridiculous. Healthcare reform is MUCH more then helping people who don't have insurance, it's about making sure people who already have insurance receive they care they need and have paid for when they need it.
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We need to get rid of the alternative argument that guns make it easier to kill, they don't. It is no easier to kill people with a gun than it is with a cough drop. Both of them can kill, and both of them can help.
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No, it's not about that. It's about expanding the scope of government control over The People, and replacing the Rule of Law with the Whim of the Bureaucrat.
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Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.
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The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.
Spoken like someone who has no clue how healthcare in this country works. I guess you're lucky that you've never had cancer before and been denied claims. Consider yourself very lucky..
I was talking about those people, Many 18 to 25 years old. Who are healthy and could get insurance for about 150 bucks a month, but do not. Then have 2 cars, Cell phones, High speed internet, and all the other modern gadgets of life. Sure there are people who need help, but there are also people who could help themselves and choose not to. When they count the uninsured the do not discriminate between those who genuinely can not afford it, and those who could afford it and choose not to get it.

PLEASE

Don't talk to me like I do not know how it is asshole. You do not know me. I do not have insurance. My mother who is still not old enough for medicare. Does not have insurance and has A plastic Anemia and recently had a mastectomy because of Breast cancer.

So far the "evil" hospitals and doctors have FORGIVEN 112,000 dollars in bills she has racked up. Simply called up and said. You are off the hook We will use it as a write off. She also gets free drugs provided by an evil Pharmaceutical company. Who have agreed to provide her and several other local patients with her disorder drug therapy for the rest of their lives for free.

So do not talk to me like you know me, or what I have been through. My mother is exactly the kind of person who could be hurt by the Rationing that a Government controlled health care for all will lead to. She has a Chronic Disorder which is almost 100% survivable but which requires expensive long term treatment and blood infusions to keep her alive. It is exactly that kind of person who has reason to fear this bill. It is exactly that kind of person who stands to not get the best possible treatment as bureaucrats scramble to cut costs.
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stick the 'marxist' **** up your ass you morally bankrupt scum bag and answer my question...how do you define rough?
rough is when you izz sitting in da basement and mummy has to pay for your 26 year old ass, and if mummy don't do it "we the people" must do it. That's rough. Rough is when we the people are forced to pay for stupid ****ing heroin addicts to go in and get their methadone injections. **** all you leeches.
let's face reality. Using your "logic", i would be the one paying for your health insurance, since i have a job, and you in fact, don't.

Funny how you claim to be against people mooching off of others when you are doing this very thing to all of us who actually work.


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No, it's not about that. It's about expanding the scope of government control over The People, and replacing the Rule of Law with the Whim of the Bureaucrat.
The more we look at the plan, they less we like it. (We is not just conservatives, as many of the Democrats are now realizing):

Pajamas Media Get Ready for Your Health Care ‘Re-Education’

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Posted By Paul Hsieh On September 14, 2010 @ 12:00 am In Uncategorized | 56 Comments

After Congress passed ObamaCare, senior Democratic leaders predicted that public opposition would fade and voters would reward congressional supporters in the November elections.

However, the exact opposite has occurred. Opinion polls show that ObamaCare remains deeply unpopular with the American people [1], because it will limit their freedoms, reduce their access to quality medical care, and raise their health care costs.

Democratic congressional candidates now regard health care as toxic for their re-election chances [2]. Those who had voted for ObamaCare are running away from that fact, whereas the few Democrats who voted against ObamaCare now use it as a selling point in their campaigns.

But rather than acknowledging that their health care plan is fundamentally flawed, the Obama administration is trying to pretend that the problem is merely one of bad public relations. Hence, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius has stated that “we have a lot of re-education to do [3].”

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Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.
Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.
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Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.
Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.

No they don't. A lot of people would rather have no frills policies where they have copayments in order to lower their premiums. ObamaCare forces a one-sized fits all model that will end up fitting nobody.
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Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.
Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.
Your pals didn't have to force all of us to buy coverage. That's where your pals overstepped their bounds and that is why they are going to get tossed out on thier asses on Nov 2. Do you understand that?
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Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.
Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.
It also has the undesired effect of driving up costs. YOU can not remove caps, and force them to cover all pre-existing conditions and not expect costs to sky rocket.
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The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.
Spoken like someone who has no clue how healthcare in this country works. I guess you're lucky that you've never had cancer before and been denied claims. Consider yourself very lucky..
I was talking about those people, Many 18 to 25 years old. Who are healthy and could get insurance for about 150 bucks a month, but do not. Then have 2 cars, Cell phones, High speed internet, and all the other modern gadgets of life. Sure there are people who need help, but there are also people who could help themselves and choose not to. When they count the uninsured the do not discriminate between those who genuinely can not afford it, and those who could afford it and choose not to get it.

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Don't talk to me like I do not know how it is asshole. You do not know me. I do not have insurance. My mother who is still not old enough for medicare. Does not have insurance and has A plastic Anemia and recently had a mastectomy because of Breast cancer.

So far the "evil" hospitals and doctors have FORGIVEN 112,000 dollars in bills she has racked up. Simply called up and said. You are off the hook We will use it as a write off. She also gets free drugs provided by an evil Pharmaceutical company. Who have agreed to provide her and several other local patients with her disorder drug therapy for the rest of their lives for free.

So do not talk to me like you know me, or what I have been through. My mother is exactly the kind of person who could be hurt by the Rationing that a Government controlled health care for all will lead to. She has a Chronic Disorder which is almost 100% survivable but which requires expensive long term treatment and blood infusions to keep her alive. It is exactly that kind of person who has reason to fear this bill. It is exactly that kind of person who stands to not get the best possible treatment as bureaucrats scramble to cut costs.
First of all, when did I ever call the hospitals or doctors "evil"? I have always singled out insurance companies. Get your facts straight before calling me names. That's great that the hospital decided to help your mother, but not everyone is so fortunate. We can't "hope" that everyone who needs urgent care will have it gifted to them by the hospital, that's just not a realistic solution to a widespread problem.

You mention that the hospital, "wrote it off" so you're mother can get care. Wrote it off as in had the government subsidize the cost through decreased taxes. So you are already getting government backed healthcare. Pretty ironic that you are now completely against it. Funny how that works. Explain to me how thats ok for you and your family but not the other millions of americans who need help. You called me an asshole, I'll just stick with pointing out that you are a hypocrite.
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Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.
Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.

No they don't. A lot of people would rather have no frills policies where they have copayments in order to lower their premiums. ObamaCare forces a one-sized fits all model that will end up fitting nobody.
Do you even understand what you're saying. What you said has nothing to do with the points I brought up. It's like you're not even reading whats been posted. I never ONCE mentioned the lowering of premiums as being something that this bill is doing well. I talked about helping people get the coverage that they are already paying for.
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Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.
Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.
Your pals didn't have to force all of us to buy coverage. That's where your pals overstepped their bounds and that is why they are going to get tossed out on thier asses on Nov 2. Do you understand that?
That portion was unfortunately added late in the process as it was heavily lobbied by insurance companies to add that in there. It's certainly not a perfect solution but the situation was either we all get a chance at coverage or only the most well-of people can be assured they will have their medical bills taken care of when the time comes.
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Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.

No they don't. A lot of people would rather have no frills policies where they have copayments in order to lower their premiums. ObamaCare forces a one-sized fits all model that will end up fitting nobody.
Do you even understand what you're saying. What you said has nothing to do with the points I brought up. It's like you're not even reading whats been posted. I never ONCE mentioned the lowering of premiums as being something that this bill is doing well. I talked about helping people get the coverage that they are already paying for.

My response was on point. All those mandates increase the costs of coverage, which drive up prices. Many people have freely chosen less broad coverages in order to keep their premiums lower. OmamaCare forces them to pay rof things they don't want.
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