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Quote: Originally Posted by 9/11 inside job  true enough.agent Fizz has made it perfectly clear in his hundreds of posts of his, that he clearly supports secret methods of mass murder by the government on their own citizens. you are another fucking moron that thinks everyone with any logic is a government agent. there was no "secret mass murder".
the mass murder by muslim terrorists was televised live in front of everyone. its certainly no secret.
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Quote: Originally Posted by 9/11 inside job true enough.agent Fizz has made it perfectly clear in his hundreds of posts of his, that he clearly supports secret methods of mass murder by the government on their own citizens. you are another fucking moron that thinks everyone with any logic is a government agent. there was no "secret mass murder".[quote=Fizz;1895705]
If you think this is gypsum, you are not logical. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Fizz the mass murder by muslim terrorists was televised live in front of everyone. its certainly no secret. So how many witnesses can you assemble that saw the muslims killing the 3,000 victims?
The NIST deprival of the plans by FEMA enabled by guiliani and the NYS courts makes it secret.
You enforce it with your refusal to recognize the violations of law and illogical insistence in naming a 400 foot tall structure gypsum fastened to steel core columns, that do not protrude in that photo and are never seen on 9-11. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera
If you think this is gypsum, you are not logical. and you tell people its concrete, which is an outright LIE!!!
its smoke. you cant see what its made out of because ITS FUCKING SMOKE!! i'm sure the steel core with the gypsum is on the other side of the smoke creating that shadow but you cant make it out from this picture clearly.
anyone that says they can see concrete in that photo is a fucking liar.
Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera So how many witnesses can you assemble that saw the muslims killing the 3,000 victims? in new york and new jersey live as it happened? probably several hundred thousand.
if you include watching it live on TV probably over 100 million.
Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera The NIST deprival of the plans by FEMA enabled by guiliani and the NYS courts makes it secret.
You enforce it with your refusal to recognize the violations of law and illogical insistence in naming a 400 foot tall structure gypsum fastened to steel core columns, that do not protrude in that photo and are never seen on 9-11. another one of your delusional rants that make no sense at all. remember when you were ranting for months... maybe years... that the cause of death on the death certificates was not valid? you never bothered to fucking check what the death certificates actually said. the cause of death was "murder" and it doesnt matter who did it, you fucking deadbeat moron.
now you are going on another delusional rant about FEMA, the NIST and guiliani about some stupid fucking plans or some shit.
who fucking cares? the plans flew into the buildings. they came down. lots of people died. your fucking guiliani tirade is fuckiing moronic. it doesnt change the outcome of what happened. Robertson, the structural engineer, cooperated with both FEMA and the NIST and he had the plans to the buildings. in fact, he had the only set of plans to the buildings that were not located inside the world trade center when it collapsed.
take your anti-psychotics, get a job, pay the $30,000 in child support you owe and try to stay out of jail, ok? 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Fizz
Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera
If you think this is gypsum, you are not logical. and you tell people its concrete, which is an outright LIE!!!
its smoke. you cant see what its made out of because ITS FUCKING SMOKE!! i'm sure the steel core with the gypsum is on the other side of the smoke creating that shadow but you cant make it out from this picture clearly.
anyone that says they can see concrete in that photo is a fucking liar.
Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera So how many witnesses can you assemble that saw the muslims killing the 3,000 victims? in new york and new jersey live as it happened? probably several hundred thousand.
if you include watching it live on TV probably over 100 million.
Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera The NIST deprival of the plans by FEMA enabled by guiliani and the NYS courts makes it secret.
You enforce it with your refusal to recognize the violations of law and illogical insistence in naming a 400 foot tall structure gypsum fastened to steel core columns, that do not protrude in that photo and are never seen on 9-11. another one of your delusional rants that make no sense at all. remember when you were ranting for months... maybe years... that the cause of death on the death certificates was not valid? you never bothered to fucking check what the death certificates actually said. the cause of death was "murder" and it doesnt matter who did it, you fucking deadbeat moron.
now you are going on another delusional rant about FEMA, the NIST and guiliani about some stupid fucking plans or some shit.
who fucking cares? the plans flew into the buildings. they came down. lots of people died. your fucking guiliani tirade is fuckiing moronic. it doesnt change the outcome of what happened. Robertson, the structural engineer, cooperated with both FEMA and the NIST and he had the plans to the buildings. in fact, he had the only set of plans to the buildings that were not located inside the world trade center when it collapsed.
take your anti-psychotics, get a job, pay the $30,000 in child support you owe and try to stay out of jail, ok?
this is your brain
and this is your brain on drugs All your subterfuge proves is you have no evidence of steel core columns in the core area and that you are working to support the secret methods of mass murder by ad hominum attack.  | | The Following User Says Thank You to Christophera For This Useful Post: | |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera All your subterfuge proves is you have no evidence of steel core columns in the core area and that you are working to support the secret methods of mass murder by ad hominum attack. this is from the man that cant show ONE picture of the concrete core under construction or ONE quote from anyone that worked on the building claiming its a concrete core. 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! 
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!!
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!!
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!!
"For a combination of historical, cultural and economic reasons, tall, concrete-core buildings dedicated to office use are unusual in New York, where builders prefer the wallboard-enclosed cores with steel frames that Mr. Robertson pioneered in the trade center." New York Timeshere
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!!
"Engineers are still debating whether the Twin Towers' unique structure should be credited for surviving the initial crashes, or blamed for collapsing in the subsequent fires, or both. But the point is that it was unique, utilizing closely spaced columns connected to a steel core by relatively lightweight floor trusses. " Newsweek. Newsweek.com
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!!
"Each of the towers, more than 200 ft. wide on each side, contained a central steel core surrounded by open office space. Eighteen-inch steel tubes ran vertically along the outside, providing much of the support for the building" Time Magazine.TIME.com
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!!
"The twin towers were the first supertall buildings designed without any masonry. Worried that the intense air pressure created by the building's high speed elevators might buckle conventional shafts, engineers designed a solution using a drywall system fixed to the reinforced steel core. " engineering.comENGINEERING.com
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!!
"Like many high-rises built in the 1960s, the Twin Towers were constructed with their weight distributed between a hollow steel core (containing services like elevators) and steel columns around the perimeter, maximizing open floor space. Many believe the older high-rise design, in which steel columns are often encased in concrete, is more fire resistant.
“A lot of people have told me, ‘You should have used more concrete in the structure,’” said Robertson. However, his chart plotting the strength of steel vs. concrete at various temperatures showed that at the incendiary levels that raged in the towers, the two materials become similarly weak." Berkeley 04.17.2002 - World Trade Center remembered
no evidence of a steel core? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!!
"Yamasaki has switched from concrete, his favorite medium, to steel because of the sheer height of the towers, and instead of having the weight of the structure carried by the frame and the elevator core, the great steel columns of the exterior walls will support it." Time Magazine article from 1964!! Art: Onward & Upward - TIME[/quote]
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Quote: Originally Posted by Fizz
Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera All your subterfuge proves is you have no evidence of steel core columns in the core area and that you are working to support the secret methods of mass murder by ad hominum attack. this is from the man that cant show ONE picture of the concrete core under construction Which is a point the perpetrators made true by filtering the construction photos like the 2 hour documentary was removed from the PBS digital archives. Nobody believes your spam any longer and you just expose your agenda of supporting the secret methods of mass murder.
There have been 2 searches and the first found record of it in libraries. Here is an excerpt update on web radio from 2007 by Dr. Ron Larsen, Ph.D. http://algoxy.com/psych/audio/rl-cb6...bs.doc_1-2.mp3
Meanwhile your post was spam and you are pre-owned by evidence and reason numerous times, so this is called ...... SPAM 4 http://www.usmessageboard.com/1860963-post3290.html
Meanwhile this image is a misrepresentation. It is not one of the Twins. At least it out of your spam posting. You are such a fraud.
What it looks close to is the bellow which is the Twins. It is easily seen that the Twins at those lower levels were about 2.5 wide column opening. The above with all the insulation blown on it are far less than 2 columns wide spacing.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera Which is a point the perpetrators made true by filtering the construction photos like the 2 hour documentary was removed from the PBS digital archives. Nobody believes your spam any longer and you just expose your agenda of supporting the secret methods of mass murder.
There have been 2 searches and the first found record of it in libraries. Here is an excerpt update on web radio from 2007 by Dr. Ron Larsen, Ph.D. http://algoxy.com/psych/audio/rl-cb6...bs.doc_1-2.mp3 you fucking moron..... it is not physically possible to filter every picture on the internet. it simply can not be done. the reason you have no pictures of the concrete core is simply because it never existed.
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apparently you do not know what it means. i am not selling anything. YOU are the person that is trying to make money of the world trade center disaster by selling your concrete core hoax.
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Quote: Originally Posted by creativedreams Here is more on the 47 vertical core columns that somehow cut themselves and moved out of the way fast enough all the way down to not provide resistance so the top floor of each building could hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would hit the ground if dropped right beside them.
Propaganda debunkers intentionally try and mislead by focusing on the perimeter floor trusses and NOT the central core columns that should have easily stood........unless of course explosives were used to blow them completely out of the way all the way down and in doing so pulverizing everything but the steel before it even hits the ground.  YouTube- WTCCS Scenario - WTC 1 Collapse Arrest   Couple of questions.
You say "cut" themselves. Is that the only way a structure of that type would fail? By being cut? Do you understand how loads are distributed amongst structural members?
Let's look at an example. Let's take four people and place them beneath a solid, 400lb block of some material. They stretch their hands above their head to hold the block aloft at each corner. These 4 people SHARE the weight of 400lbs. If one person drops their arms then it becomes 3 people who must hold the weight of 400lbs.
In the towers, you have a network of steel beams and columns that distribute the load amongst said steel network. Calculations are done when designing the steel structure to figure out what is needed to carry the loads. The structure can be affected in different ways.
Why do the beams have to be totally removed in order to weaken the structure to a point of collapse? Wouldn't the beams weakening due to fire present the same problem? What about the connections weakening? If you weaken 4 columns by 60%, what happens to their portion of the load they supported? The other parts of the steel structure have to take up for that.
Why is it so hard to fathom that the structure weakened to a point of failure? and if you say that office fires cannot weaken steel, then I have some more evidence for you.
Also, why does that video show the top portion of the structure collapsing directly onto the bottom portion of the structure? There is no twist or tilt of the top portion of that video. Why does the video show columns hitting directly on top of the other columns below? That's not what happened.
What about the mechanical objects in the tower's cores? How many tons of elevator motors were there? What about the electrical panels for the elevators? Do you think that the structural members would survive tons of falling debris? Did the twisting/tilting of the upper portion of the towers rend/tear and structural connections? |
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Quote: Originally Posted by creativedreams Here is more on the 47 vertical core columns that somehow cut themselves and moved out of the way fast enough all the way down to not provide resistance so the top floor of each building could hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would hit the ground if dropped right beside them. horizontal stress from the vertical columns were transferred via the floor trusses to the outer wall. the steel inner core was designed to carry vertical loads only. the outer wall carried the horizontal loads. without the floors in place the core never would be able to stand. of course the core is going to experiance massive horizontal and vertical loads during a collapse and without the floors of the world trade center in place to transfer the horizontal loads of course it would collapse.
there is no "cutting themselves". there is only ignorance and stupidity on your part.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Fizz horizontal stress from the vertical columns were transferred via the floor trusses to the outer wall. Show horizontal structure adequate for that. Then show that direct forces causing sway were resisted by needed diagonals.
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Hi Mr. Fizz:
Quote: Originally Posted by Fizz you are another fucking moron that thinks everyone with any logic is a government agent. there was no "secret mass murder". Logic? This is what Mr. Fizz here calls 'logic' ( My Flight 93 Topic): 
Mr. Fizz calls this 'empty hole' a crashed 100-ton Jetliner! 
We 'can' see a little bit of garbage dumped into the little hole that was set on fire, but there is nothing here even remotely resembling the components of a real crashed 100-ton Jetliner! Period.
This is what Mr. Fizz calls "logic" ( my Pentagon Topic) ... 
Here again we see another 'empty hole' containing no signs of any crashed 100-ton Jetliner, just like Jamie McIntyre said while standing in front of the Pentagon on 9/11:
BTW, the idiots bumping this Topic senselessly have 'no clue' about what they are even talking about (I do = #3). FEMA has to do with Emergency Management, as in mishandling the Katrina Debacle ( story). The notion that FEMA can 'deceive' anybody about the WTC Controlled Demolitions ( AE911Truth.org) is absolute STUPIDITY ( my WTC-7 Topic).
Here is one clue ...
Mr. Chris (  ) 'and' Mr. Fizz ( ) are two DoD Disinformation Ops ( How To Spot + Disinfo Ops Exposed) working 'both' sides of this debate 'and' leading you down endless rabbit holes like there is no tomorrow. However, the typical American is so STUPID ( #1-10) that you might be digging around in this DoD Disinformation dodo ( pic) forever ...
GL,
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__________________ I have made myself available to the Center For 911 Justice ( link) since early 2009, because your case has all of the primary components to establish inconsistencies in the Official 9/11 Govt Cover Story. For example, April Gallop and I know for certain that the Pentagon was first attacked at 9:31:39 AM ( Link #1) and NOT at the Official Cover Story time of 9:37:46 (9:38 ACAAR) AM. The very first piece of evidentiary support for your case should have been the Executive Summary Chronology of a Multiple Hijacking Crisis September 11, 2001 ( Link #2) dated 09/17/2001 saying: " 0932 ATC AEA reports aircraft crashes into west side of Pentagon." My Email To Bill Veale, April Gallop And Lloyde England. My Work.
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Reason: add Katrina Link. The idiots at FEMA know 'nothing' about Controlled Demolition of Skyscrapers ... My Lord!
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Quote: Originally Posted by Terral Hi Mr. Fizz:
Quote: Originally Posted by Fizz you are another fucking moron that thinks everyone with any logic is a government agent. there was no "secret mass murder". Logic? This is what Mr. Fizz here calls 'logic' ( My Flight 93 Topic):
Mr. Fizz calls this 'empty hole' a crashed 100-ton Jetliner!
We 'can' see a little bit of garbage dumped into the little hole that was set on fire, but there is nothing here even remotely resembling the components of a real crashed 100-ton Jetliner! Period.
This is what Mr. Fizz calls "logic" ( my Pentagon Topic) ...
Here again we see another 'empty hole' containing no signs of any crashed 100-ton Jetliner, just like Jamie McIntyre said while standing in front of the Pentagon on 9/11:
BTW, the idiots bumping this Topic senselessly have 'no clue' about what they are even talking about (I do = #3). FEMA has to do with Emergency Management, as in mishandling the Katrina Debacle ( story). The notion that FEMA can 'deceive' anybody about the WTC Controlled Demolitions ( AE911Truth.org) is absolute STUPIDITY ( my WTC-7 Topic).
Here is one clue ...
Mr. Chris ( ) 'and' Mr. Fizz ( ) are two DoD Disinformation Ops ( How To Spot + Disinfo Ops Exposed) working 'both' sides of this debate 'and' leading you down endless rabbit holes like there is no tomorrow. However, the typical American is so STUPID ( #1-10) that you might be digging around in this DoD Disinformation dodo ( pic) forever ...
GL,
Terral well thanks for being completely fucking off topic in this thread, you moron, but it has been shown before that what you claim is an "empty hole" is full of airplane parts.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Christophera
Quote: Originally Posted by Fizz horizontal stress from the vertical columns were transferred via the floor trusses to the outer wall. Show horizontal structure adequate for that. Then show that direct forces causing sway were resisted by needed diagonals.
The official plans, images from ground zero or 9-11 are the only sources good for this. read for yourself. NOVA | Transcripts | Why the Towers Fell | PBS
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Quote: Originally Posted by 9/11 inside job true enough.agent Fizz has made it perfectly clear in his hundreds of posts of his, that he clearly supports secret methods of mass murder by the government on their own citizens. you are another fucking moron that thinks everyone with any logic is a government agent. there was no "secret mass murder".
Quote: Originally Posted by Fizz
If you think this is gypsum, you are not logical.
So how many witnesses can you assemble that saw the muslims killing the 3,000 victims?
The NIST deprival of the plans by FEMA enabled by guiliani and the NYS courts makes it secret.
You enforce it with your refusal to recognize the violations of law and illogical insistence in naming a 400 foot tall structure gypsum fastened to steel core columns, that do not protrude in that photo and are never seen on 9-11. whats hysterical about disinformation agent specialist Fizz is his moronic logic he has that it doesnt matter that hundreds of architects and engineers dont accept the offical version of the towers collapse or demolition experts either as well,nor first responders or firemen or policemen or witnesses that worked in the towers,what ONLY matters to agent Fizz is what the corporate controlled interest media and the government agencys say? and he says HE has logic? He needs to look in the mirror when calling someone a fucking moron.dont know why you even bother with this moron agent.i dont. | | |
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