The coming civil war in the US

Very true MaggieMae!

RhodesStupid lives in a retards fantasy world

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"There is No business, like Shoah business"!!!

Yep. How convenient they forget that last part. I do believe the PGC is close to broke itself because of so many companies just tearing up their retirement contracts with vested employees.

You REALLY think this will lead to a civil war?

Before the civil war happened one state was going to put up slavery to a vote so a whole bunch of people from both sides moved to that state to try to swing the vote to their side. The two split up into camps and ended up in near open warfare with each other (houses were burned, people were killed).

I can't think of any modern issue with that much hatred between the two sides.

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Debates are like merry go rounds

Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

The difference is that merry-go-rounds are generally fun and entertaining.

No, they will revolt against the rich aristocracy that now owns over 95% of the wealth because they have been successful in destroying most of the unions..

Most public workers and union workers are middle class.

More bullshit from what ever side your on.

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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of right wing thinking we were at when we created them." Anon.
Push a liberal hard enough, and he will clean out the temple.

I have no sympathy for treason.

Smedley Butler was a great American.

Not like a Sean Hannity "you're a great American because you agree with my bullshit", but an actual great American.

BTW, if you wanted to be completely factually accurate, there should be two MOHs under his portrait.

You're HNAV, aren't you.

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How to Succeed as an Ayn Rand Character

Thank you on this Holiday weekened for compelling me to look up a little bit about Gen. Butler.

Yes. A TRUE Great American.

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If Al Qaeda isn't free to plot mass murder, are any of us truly free? - CF

N/P. He was a true warrior. He wasn't perfect, after he left the USMC he felt that he had been a "gangster for capitalism" and wrote a very interesting speech called "War Is A Racket" about it (worth a read). He was recruited by some fanatics to be a part of a political coup, but he eventually saw through that and disassociated with them.

Look at what is happening nationwide; there is a huge, huge movement right now of people from the Northeast and West coast into the South and SW, who do NOT have massive numbers of public employees, who are the primary drivers of city/state costs and hence higher taxes.

What will happen next?

Exactly what is happening in California, where now that the bankrupt state has exhausted its ability to squeeze its residents harder for an even greater share of their diminishing assets, and b/c of its credit rating can no longer borrow its way out, is trying to foist the responsibility to fund its ever growing expenditures on the country as a whole, via a federal bailout.

What will happen when you have 15 Californias, and so many wealth creators like myself, who have moved to better-run states now living in the south say: "no fucking way, I am not paying ever higher federal taxes to support these public workers"?

You will either have a civil war, or a potential breakup of the nation into sections as the NY Times suggested a few weeks back.

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Ignored trash: Shogun, Sunni Man

Still have the Union Jack flying from the flagpole do ya?

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If you live in Hawaii, you do.

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Close, but no cigar.

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I hope you're right, but I haven't seen so much hatred and venom in all my 40 years of involvement in politics. Even credentialed historians can't seem to pinpoint when it began (what the trigger was), but it seems to get worse not better.

You do realize, I hope, that the reason California is in so much trouble is that states MUST balance their budgets, unlike the federal government which can legally issue Treasury Bonds to cover deficits, or simply go over budget and carry the debt over.

What I find odd about California actually is what's odd about the crazy mindset all across the country: People WANT social programs and so they get installed, then they don't want to pay for them. In California there was a special referrendum to raise taxes to pay for the programs everyone wants to keep, but the voters said no. Go figure. Now they're paying the consequences.

Nationally, the Democrats are historically the Tax-And-Spend Party, but the GOP is basically the Don't-Tax-But-Spend-Anyway Party.