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09-10-2008, 09:07 PM
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Rep Power: 57 | | | International 9/11 poll 22% of the world believes either the US or Israel was behind 9/11. Fortunately, 46% said it was al-Qaeda. If you remove the "don't knows," its 61%. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...d=&pnt=535&lb=
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09-11-2008, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Toro | wow, thats actually good to know
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Video documentary Unter Falscher Flagge (Under False Flag) 12/07:
Regarding 9/11: "Ultimate responsibility for the so-called "air policing" and for alarming the interceptor pilots, in NATO terminology an "Alpha Scramble" when the planes go up, lies with the North American Air Defense Command NORAD. It is the largest air defense center in the world watching for external as well as internal threats. It has every single mouse on its radar screen.
Among the NATO nations, it is the general rule that within 10 to 15 minutes of the sounding of an alarm, planes have to be in the air. It was exactly this which did not occur for over two hours. Not one single interceptor plane made the attempt to force the [hijacked] planes down or even to investigate or anything else. A story is told that prior to September 11th, 2001, in the same year more than 60 similar operations [air intercepts] were executed without a hitch.
And the smokescreens which have been put up by the official inquiry committee of the Congress that on this day an unbelievable number of exercises by the Air Force had taken place and so everyone had been confused and not able to tell the difference between real life and exercise. That is simply incomprehensible for someone with a background in air defense. Because exercises, with regard to air traffic control and air defense, are always separated from real life in air traffic."
English subtitled version: nuoviso
Original in German: Nuoviso WebTV Session of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defense of the House of Councilors 1/10/08: In a 40-minute presentation on the floor of the House of Councillors (the upper house of the legislature), Yukihisa Fujita directly questioned the official version of 9/11. Present in the session and responding to Mr. Fujita's questions were Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda and members of his Cabinet.
Mr. Fujita stated that no official police investigation had been conducted into the deaths of the 24 Japanese citizens who were killed on 9/11.
He also said that many people worldwide doubt the official account of 9/11 and much evidence has been collected that contradicts the government's version of 9/11, evidence which can be seen on many websites. During Mr. Fujita's speech, several large photos were sequentially displayed of:
- the alleged path of Flight 77 to the Pentagon
- the Pentagon entry and exit holes and a correctly scaled
overlay of a Boeing 757
- the WTC Twin Towers exploding
- New York firefighter Capt. Dennis Tardio discussing
detonators at the WTC
- the collapse of WTC Building 7
Mr. Fujita demanded further investigation of the events of 9/11.
Video of Mr. Fujita's presentation, including Prime Minister Fukuda's and his Cabinet members' responses, can be seen in three segments at Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
Analysis of the collapse of WTC Building 7, 11/18/05:
"Conclusion: The observed collapse time of WTC 7 was 6.5 seconds. That is only half a second longer than it would have taken for the top of the building to fall to the ground in a vacuum, and half a second shorter than the falling time of an apple when air resistance is taken into account. ... The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition." S A U N A L A H T I › Jää rahaa muuhunkin
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"WTC Tower 1, 2 and 7 could not have collapsed by fires the way we saw without extra auxiliaries, as for example, explosives. NIST could not have explained the collapses at all and it has left the 'official' explanations to private persons who have failed, too. The last attempt was done by Dr. Seffen from Cambridge University (UK) ( 9/11 - Dr Keith Seffen's paper - "Progressive Collapse of the World Trade Centre: a Simple Analysis"), but his paper can be debunked to be false." AE911Truth Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 400 Architects and Engineers:
John J. Farmer, Jr., Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission – Former Attorney General of the State of New Jersey. Former Chief Counsel to former New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman. Former Commissioner of the State Commission of Investigations. Former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey.
Washington Post Article 8/2/06 - "Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate. ...
"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. ... This is not spin. This is not true." http://www.washingtonpost
Editor's note: Despite the many public statements by 9/11 Commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
Bio: http://www.klng.com/professionals/detail
Peter Rundlet Peter Rundlet, Counsel for the 9/11 Commission – Former Associate Counsel to President Clinton. Former White House Fellow, serving in the Office of the Chief of Staff to President Clinton. Former Vice President for National Security and International Affairs, Center for American Progress.
Currently Director of Policy and Government Relations for Humanity United, an independent grantmaking organization committed to building a world where modern-day slavery and mass atrocities are no longer possible.
Essay 9/30/06: "A mixture of shock, anger, and sadness overcame me when I read about revelations in Bob Woodward’s new book about a special surprise visit that George Tenet and his counterterrorism chief Cofer Black made to Condi Rice, also on July 10, 2001 ...
If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation — questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administration’s actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting.
The Commission interviewed Condoleezza Rice privately and during public testimony; it interviewed George Tenet three times privately and during public testimony; and Cofer Black was also interviewed privately and publicly. All of them were obligated to tell the truth. Apparently, none of them described this meeting, the purpose of which clearly was central to the Commission’s investigation. Moreover, document requests to both the White House and to the CIA should have revealed the fact that this meeting took place. Now, more than two years after the release of the Commission’s report, we learn of this meeting from Bob Woodward.
Was it covered up? It is hard to come to a different conclusion. ... At a minimum, the withholding of information about this meeting is an outrage. Very possibly, someone committed a crime. And worst of all, they failed to stop the plot." http://think
Editor's note: Despite the many public statements by 9/11 Commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
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Remember, remember, the 11th of september The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
I see of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.....
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09-11-2008, 05:05 PM
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09-11-2008, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by editec All I know for sure is that nobody has ever been brought to trial for it. | were the Japanese brought to trial for Pearl Harbor?
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Rep Power: 32 | | | Only 22%? I would have actually thought the number of people internationally who felt the US or Israel was behind it would be higher actually.
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09-11-2008, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gem Only 22%? I would have actually thought the number of people internationally who felt the US or Israel was behind it would be higher actually. | but i do wonder who the 7% that think "other" did it
the don't knows are a bit high too
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09-11-2008, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DiveCon were the Japanese brought to trial for Pearl Harbor? | japan is a country moron..who engaged in a act of war... not a supposed small group of terrorist from a variety of country's that are our trusted allies
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Remember, remember, the 11th of september The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
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09-11-2008, 06:21 PM
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almost all the worlds countries we invovled in it.
It hasn't happened again, they really are poor terrorist then if they are not putting terror on us.
If it was a terrorist organization we would have had more attacks. . .
So contrived, yes.
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09-11-2008, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by eots japan is a country moron..who engaged in a act of war... not a supposed small group of terrorist from a variety of country's that are our trusted allies | sorry, it is you that is the moron, Al Qaeda is the group that commited an act of war
same as the japanese
btw, the only "justice" for 9/11, is the destruction of Al Qaeda and the similar terrorist gruops
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09-11-2008, 06:28 PM
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Rep Power: 20 | | | in your delusional re-write of history perhaps
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Remember, remember, the 11th of september The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
I see of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
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09-11-2008, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DiveCon sorry, it is you that is the moron, Al Qaeda is the group that commited an act of war
same as the japanese
btw, the only "justice" for 9/11, is the destruction of Al Qaeda and the similar terrorist gruops | We bring them to trial, we just took over their country and dropped a nuclear bomb on them, so I feel they got what they deserved. But was it really right for us to drop the bomb? That I don't know?
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09-11-2008, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by eots in your delusional re-write of history perhaps | wow, a delusional troofer calls me delusional, what burn 
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Originally Posted by Luissa27 We bring them to trial, we just took over their country and dropped a nuclear bomb on them, so I feel they got what they deserved. But was it really right for us to drop the bomb? That I don't know? | exactly, the Japanese got what they deserved, WAR
same thing Al Qaeda is getting
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Peter Rundlet, Counsel for the 9/11 Commission – Former Associate Counsel to President Clinton. Former White House Fellow, serving in the Office of the Chief of Staff to President Clinton. Former Vice President for National Security and International Affairs, Center for American Progress.
Currently Director of Policy and Government Relations for Humanity United, an independent grantmaking organization committed to building a world where modern-day slavery and mass atrocities are no longer possible.
Essay 9/30/06: "A mixture of shock, anger, and sadness overcame me when I read about revelations in Bob Woodward’s new book about a special surprise visit that George Tenet and his counterterrorism chief Cofer Black made to Condi Rice, also on July 10, 2001 ...
If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation — questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administration’s actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting.
The Commission interviewed Condoleezza Rice privately and during public testimony; it interviewed George Tenet three times privately and during public testimony; and Cofer Black was also interviewed privately and publicly. All of them were obligated to tell the truth. Apparently, none of them described this meeting, the purpose of which clearly was central to the Commission’s investigation. Moreover, document requests to both the White House and to the CIA should have revealed the fact that this meeting took place. Now, more than two years after the release of the Commission’s report, we learn of this meeting from Bob Woodward.
Was it covered up? It is hard to come to a different conclusion. ... At a minimum, the withholding of information about this meeting is an outrage. Very possibly, someone committed a crime. And worst of all, they failed to stop the plot." http://think
Editor's note: Despite the many public statements by 9/11 Commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
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I see of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
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