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10-29-2008, 08:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Navy1960 You know Robert, I believe because I was alive then that the best thing that ever happened was Reagan lowering taxes. You know Reagan believed that government should not be the be all and end all to everyone's problems and that message somehow has gotten lost on both democrats and republicans. I will always advocate that raising the top rate during an economic downturn while increasing spending and with no clear policy for deficit reduction is disaster waiting to happen. While I will agree raising the top rate to 39% does not seem like much when compared to historical records but that is a ruse Robert. The factors I mentioned earlier are clearly not taken into consideration. You recall the Clinton era rise in taxes? Do you know what the name of that bill was? It was the "deficit reduction act" and it was enacted during a period of 8 consecutive quarters of growth in the economy. Then in 1997 it was followed by what? a tax reduction in cap gains that further stimulated the economy. I'm sorry Robert, but I cannot agree on a policy that advocates a rise in taxes on the top rate and at the same time is instituting 1 trillion dollars in new spending on top of the 1 trillion already authorized without deficit spending reduction. Barack Obama stated tonight that the Gov't can't solve all it's problems alone. That the people need to be a part of it.
It isn't Barack's fault what the Bush administration did.
I ask you Navy, all these plans that McCain talks about. Where is the money coming from? The sky? No, the same place Obama would be getting the money.
McCain is going to support another package of $1 trillion so there is no difference here.
You want to know the problem though Navy? Who is the only president we've had a economy under that wasn't in massive debt but at the same time had a surplus? Bill Clinton.
Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 all follow the same economic concepts. As does McCain.
McCain knows nothing about the economy and that scares me.
Both videos were actually made by Republicans:
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10-29-2008, 08:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Robert_Santurri Barack Obama stated tonight that the Gov't can't solve all it's problems alone. That the people need to be a part of it.
It isn't Barack's fault what the Bush administration did.
I ask you Navy, all these plans that McCain talks about. Where is the money coming from? The sky? No, the same place Obama would be getting the money.
McCain is going to support another package of $1 trillion so there is no difference here.
You want to know the problem though Navy? Who is the only president we've had a economy under that wasn't in massive debt but at the same time had a surplus? Bill Clinton.
Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 all follow the same economic concepts. As does McCain.
McCain knows nothing about the economy and that scares me.
Both videos were actually made by Republicans: YouTube - John McCain Sheds Light on the Economy YouTube - Mccain is Dumb. He does not understand economics 101 ! You know Robert if Barack Obama was offering anything close to Clinton then I would be more open to it. However, my next statement on John McCain goes something like this, Thus the reason I am not voting for John McCain as well.
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10-29-2008, 08:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Robert_Santurri Navy, go ahead and look at the tax rates above.
It's amazing how much the McCain campaign has spinned away from the truth. This is nothing new Barack Obama is doing.
Notice how under Reagan the rich from paying 69% to 28%.
Amazing isn't it? Not surprising though as I been saying this for weeks now. Obamas spreading the Wealth program will do nothing but drive the rich to offshore accounts and live in their yachts in international waters then where in hell will Obama get his tax dollars huuuuuuuh? ah duh?? If you were rich and wealthy WTH would you do??? I know i wouldnt be hangin around to see some shyster take it and give it to some bums that didnt earn it...So throw all the statistics you can up but there baseless and irrelevant for 2004 to date... I have links proving that Clinton, Obama and the Democratic controlled congress was all but totally responsible for the current economic melt-down including high gas prices........ Spreading the wealth will only further the economic damage cause by the Democrats .. You jackup the rich and theyll jack you right back mark it down... Oups there goes another 1000 jobs to South Korea
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Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteLion Obamas spreading the Wealth program will do nothing but drive the rich to offshore accounts and live in their yachts in international waters then where in hell will Obama get his tax dollars huuuuuuuh? ah duh?? If you were rich and wealthy WTH would you do??? I know i wouldnt be hangin around to see some shyster take it and give it to some bums that didnt earn it...So throw all the statistics you can up but there baseless and irrelevant for 2004 to date... I have links proving that Clinton, Obama and the Democratic controlled congress was all but totally responsible for the current economic melt-down including high gas prices........ Spreading the wealth will only further the economic damage cause by the Democrats I love the part you bolded. The rich didn't do this for America's history for the most part. Besides, it's a raise from 35-39% which is once again around the levels of Clinton and Reagan.
By the way, love the amount of ignorance in your post. Not all taxes go to "bums that didn't earn it." Taxes also go to things like Education, roads and other public services,etc. Your ignorance astounds me.
And really, you have such BS links but don't post them? What Reagan did was spread the wealth for the rich, Obama wants to make it back to Clinton levels. And guess what? Under Clinton we had our biggest surplus in YEARS.
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10-29-2008, 08:51 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteLion Obamas spreading the Wealth program will do nothing but drive the rich to offshore accounts and live in their yachts in international waters then where in hell will Obama get his tax dollars huuuuuuuh? ah duh?? If you were rich and wealthy WTH would you do??? I know i wouldnt be hangin around to see some shyster take it and give it to some bums that didnt earn it...So throw all the statistics you can up but there baseless and irrelevant for 2004 to date... I have links proving that Clinton, Obama and the Democratic controlled congress was all but totally responsible for the current economic melt-down including high gas prices........ Spreading the wealth will only further the economic damage cause by the Democrats .. You jackup the rich and theyll jack you right back mark it down... Oups there goes another 1000 jobs to South Korea If I was rich and wealthy I'd pay my taxes.
Links to garbage sites don't count as links, they are just garbage sites, period. The meltdown happened because unscrupulous bankers decided to try and sell houses to those ijits who couldn't afford it, and thus losing banks billions of dollars. Go figure.
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10-29-2008, 09:07 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Grump If I was rich and wealthy I'd pay my taxes.
Links to garbage sites don't count as links, they are just garbage sites, period. The meltdown happened because unscrupulous bankers decided to try and sell houses to those ijits who couldn't afford it, and thus losing banks billions of dollars. Go figure. The things that predatory lending will do.
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10-29-2008, 09:13 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Robert_Santurri I love the part you bolded. The rich didn't do this for America's history for the most part. Besides, it's a raise from 35-39% which is once again around the levels of Clinton and Reagan.
By the way, love the amount of ignorance in your post. Not all taxes go to "bums that didn't earn it." Taxes also go to things like Education, roads and other public services,etc. Your ignorance astounds me.
And really, you have such BS links but don't post them? What Reagan did was spread the wealth for the rich, Obama wants to make it back to Clinton levels. And guess what? Under Clinton we had our biggest surplus in YEARS. Your forgetting about the democratic socialist pork projects and if it hadnt been for Reagan tax cuts, Clinton wouldnt had jack going for him, at the time and the Senate as well as the House of Representitves wouldve impeached him... Oh and heres them links ya wanted Hidden Clinton “Success Story”: Fannie Mae subprime loans for minorities UPDATED: Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans | Media Circus Pelosi blocks offshore drilling vote GOP wants Eye On The World: Democrats block Republican attempts to expand offshore drilling; Obama has a bigger surprise in store Liberalism Is Insanity: "Spread the Wealth," Thinking Caused Economic Meltdown
and this's what made the economy go screech screech screech to a grinding holt!!! Remember where theres smoke there is fire..
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Quote: Originally Posted by Robert_Santurri The things that predatory lending will do.  I know, it's terrible ain't it....
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Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteLion Lets take a look at your sources:
1.) Blog, Republican one at that.
2.) Anti-Obama site, front page is proof enough.
3.) Barack Obama stance on offshore drilling: Barack Obama Willing To Compromise On Offshore Drilling - Digital Journal: Your News Network
Don't forget, not so long ago John McCain was too against offshore drilling.
4.) Anti-Obama website.
(I'm noticing a pattern, so fair and balanced..not)
5.) Republican Blog.
Oh wow, how surprising. (Sarcasm) Now go and get the facts.
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10-29-2008, 09:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Robert_Santurri Lets take a look at your sources:
1.) Blog, Republican one at that.
2.) Anti-Obama site, front page is proof enough.
3.) Barack Obama stance on offshore drilling: Barack Obama Willing To Compromise On Offshore Drilling - Digital Journal: Your News Network
Don't forget, not so long ago John McCain was too against offshore drilling.
4.) Anti-Obama website.
(I'm noticing a pattern, so fair and balanced..not)
5.) Republican Blog.
Oh wow, how surprising. (Sarcasm) Now go and get the facts. I knew you'd say that... -Judge Dredd
Facts as youd likem maybe???
Your the Fairness Doctrine Police huh?? lol
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Quote: Originally Posted by dilloduck Taxing the rich more has nothing to do with economy and everything to do with people's feelings. Well Obama or Barry or whatever hes calling himself these days said it with his own mouth according to this audio video file... YouTube - Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered |  | |
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