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10-29-2008, 12:32 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal Obama would have thrown Dr. King under the bus if he got in the way of his ascending to the throne. Which might actually be a reasonable or applicable comment, if A) There were the slightest chance that Dr. King would have spoken out against Obama, or B) Dr. King were still alive.
What sort of interaction do you think McCain would have had with Martin Luther King, Jr.? ... I mean, other than voting against Martin Luther King Day, voting against affirmative action, and even voting against measures to stop discriminatory hiring practices. | 
10-29-2008, 12:41 AM
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Rep Power: 40 | | | Did he take any questions from reporters? I don't take giving a prepared statement in front of press as much of a press conference.
I was wrong with his not having one... That was the first one in over a month though.
BTW when was the last time you admitted you where wrong about anything?... I have yet to see that you are more than robot for Obama.
Can you name one thing you like about McCain? I know I can name one... I liked that he has stood for tort reform. Even if it was long ago... You don't tend to see that in a lawyer. I've known for years how badly we need tort reform.
Now... Let's see if you have the cahonies to name one about McCain.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Odd1_Out Which might actually be a reasonable or applicable comment, if A) There were the slightest chance that Dr. King would have spoken out against Obama, or B) Dr. King were still alive.
What sort of interaction do you think McCain would have had with Martin Luther King, Jr.? ... I mean, other than voting against Martin Luther King Day, voting against affirmative action, and even voting against measures to stop discriminatory hiring practices. I wouldn't expect McCain to have any comfortable relationship with King .. it would be expected of Obama .. and there is a C) it's a hypothetical comment.
Obama has a long history of tossing people under the bus he no longer needs.
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10-29-2008, 09:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DavidS http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/us...ll&oref=slogin
Obama Infomercial, a Closing Argument to the Everyman
WASHINGTON — Senator Barack Obama will use his prime-time half-hour infomercial on Wednesday night to make what is effectively a closing argument to a national audience of millions. At times he will speak directly into the camera about his 20-month campaign, at others he will highlight everyday voters, their everyday troubles, and his plans to address them.
Mr. Obama’s campaign agreed to provide The New York Times with a minute-long trailer for the 30-minute program, which is to run on four broadcast networks at 8 p.m. It will be the first time in 16 years that a presidential candidate has bought network time, in prime time, for a prolonged campaign commercial.
The trailer is heavy in strings, flags, presidential imagery and some Americana filmed by Davis Guggenheim, whose father was the campaign documentarian of Robert F. Kennedy. As the screen flashes scenes of suburban lawns, a freight train and Mr. Obama seated at a kitchen table with a group of white, apparently working-class voters, Mr. Obama says: “We’ve seen over the last eight years how decisions by a president can have a profound effect on the course of history and on American lives; much that’s wrong with our country goes back even farther than that.”
Then, while standing before a stately desk and an American flag, Mr. Obama, in a suit, says: “We’ve been talking about the same problems for decades and nothing is ever done to solve them. For the past 20 months, I’ve traveled the length of this country, and Michelle and I have met so many Americans who are looking for real and lasting change that makes a difference in their lives.”
Jim Margolis, Mr. Obama’s senior advertising strategist, said the program would then go on to feature “the stories of four different Americans, or American families, and kind of what they’re confronting.”
He said the stories would highlight “the challenges people are facing and what we should do in terms of solutions.” He said Mr. Obama would also share the story of his mother, “who struggled through her bout with breast cancer and the difficulty she had with her insurance company, to help viewers understand why his health care reform program is what it is.”
It will also have a live component, featuring Mr. Obama at a rally in Florida. The infomercial has been under production for weeks in the Virginia office of Mark Putnam, whose firm, Murphy-Putnam, is part of the Obama advertising team.
The program is to be shown on NBC, CBS, Fox, Univision, MSNBC and two cable networks that cater to African-Americans, BET and TV One. Ross Perot, the last presidential candidate to run similar programming, broadcast eight long infomercials to an average of 13 million viewers, with one of them getting 16.5 million viewers.
Costing the campaign more than $3 million, the infomercial is the ultimate reflection of Mr. Obama’s spending flexibility. Mr. McCain, with far less money in the bank, has been unable to produce a similar commercial.
The McCain campaign has seized on the advertisement as excessive, with Mr. McCain pointing to reports that Mr. Obama’s infomercial would bump back the World Series on Fox by 15 minutes. “No one will delay the World Series with an infomercial when I’m president,” he said, in Hershey, Pa.
(Fox executives have said that they, and not the Obama campaign, had initially asked Major League Baseball to move the start of Wednesday’s game to 8:35 p.m. from 8:20, to make way for his infomercial. But as it turns out, such a delay was not necessary anyway; none of the World Series games has started before 8:30, and two started after 8:35.)
For its part, Mr. Obama’s campaign said it was not worried about turning off viewers.
“Many people have 150 channels; they’ve got plenty of other choices,” Mr. Margolis said. “Or they can drop into a video game.” Then again, Mr. Obama is advertising in video games, too. Note the big 3 socialist propaganda machines  he couldve just ask them and save the money | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Angel Heart Did he take any questions from reporters? I don't take giving a prepared statement in front of press as much of a press conference.
I was wrong with his not having one... That was the first one in over a month though.
BTW when was the last time you admitted you where wrong about anything?... I have yet to see that you are more than robot for Obama.
Can you name one thing you like about McCain? I know I can name one... I liked that he has stood for tort reform. Even if it was long ago... You don't tend to see that in a lawyer. I've known for years how badly we need tort reform.
Now... Let's see if you have the cahonies to name one about McCain. I used to like McCain (circa 2000) when he was more independent. Now, he resembles a carbon copy neo-con Bushite. He used to stand up to the GOP, now he touts all of their very same policies.
I'm not a Democrat, but please, when has Republican policy ever worked? Democrat policies got us out of the depression, got us out of the Reagan deficits, got us the Civil Rights Act, the Wilderness Act, the Persons with Disabilities Act, and the National Park System, Medicare, and Social Security.
What have Republicans done? Brought about the culture of greed of the 1980s? The Patriot Act? War on Drugs? Made us one of the most hated nations in the world?
The rest of the West is far more progressive than we are and yet Republicans cling to the idea that fiscal and "moral" conservatism is the best way to go despite the fact that the EU was out-doing economically and socially (health care, education, public health, retirement) until this recent economic recession.
And yes, we're in a recession. Even Wall Street knows it. Just because it hasn't affected the area where you live doesn't mean the thousands of people who were just laid off aren't hurting. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloradomtnman I used to like McCain (circa 2000) when he was more independent. Now, he resembles a carbon copy neo-con Bushite. He used to stand up to the GOP, now he touts all of their very same policies.
I'm not a Democrat, but please, when has Republican policy ever worked? Democrat policies got us out of the depression, got us out of the Reagan deficits, got us the Civil Rights Act, the Wilderness Act, the Persons with Disabilities Act, and the National Park System, Medicare, and Social Security.
What have Republicans done? Brought about the culture of greed of the 1980s? The Patriot Act? War on Drugs? Made us one of the most hated nations in the world?
The rest of the West is far more progressive than we are and yet Republicans cling to the idea that fiscal and "moral" conservatism is the best way to go despite the fact that the EU was out-doing economically and socially (health care, education, public health, retirement) until this recent economic recession.
And yes, we're in a recession. Even Wall Street knows it. Just because it hasn't affected the area where you live doesn't mean the thousands of people who were just laid off aren't hurting. Nah Mccain just changed horses a couple of years ago to accommadate his bid for US President(why did you think they call him the Maverick, he never was a true conservative in the sense of Ronnie Reagan), if he wins itll go back to business as usual, so have no fears,(well with the exception of a Obama Presidential nightmare)......... | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloradomtnman I used to like McCain (circa 2000) when he was more independent. Now, he resembles a carbon copy neo-con Bushite. He used to stand up to the GOP, now he touts all of their very same policies.
I'm not a Democrat, but please, when has Republican policy ever worked? Democrat policies got us out of the depression, got us out of the Reagan deficits, got us the Civil Rights Act, the Wilderness Act, the Persons with Disabilities Act, and the National Park System, Medicare, and Social Security.
What have Republicans done? Brought about the culture of greed of the 1980s? The Patriot Act? War on Drugs? Made us one of the most hated nations in the world?
The rest of the West is far more progressive than we are and yet Republicans cling to the idea that fiscal and "moral" conservatism is the best way to go despite the fact that the EU was out-doing economically and socially (health care, education, public health, retirement) until this recent economic recession.
And yes, we're in a recession. Even Wall Street knows it. Just because it hasn't affected the area where you live doesn't mean the thousands of people who were just laid off aren't hurting. And here's what the democrats have done in less time...read the links Hidden Clinton “Success Story”: Fannie Mae subprime loans for minorities UPDATED: Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans | Media Circus Liberalism Is Insanity: "Spread the Wealth," Thinking Caused Economic Meltdown http://monkeycrash.com/2008/06/25/de...rill-offshore/
these were the major contributors of the housing meltdown and therefore leading to total economic failure...actually funny how both socialist, Clinton and Obama are arm and arm in todays Obama TV ads supported by the most socialist propaganda machines in America...
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Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteLion Note the big 3 socialist propaganda machines  he couldve just ask them and save the money  The problem with that is that ABC isn't running the infomercial and FOX is. Are you calling FOX a socalist propoganda machine? | 
10-29-2008, 10:47 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DavidS The problem with that is that ABC isn't running the infomercial and FOX is. Are you calling FOX a socalist propoganda machine? Fox ant no better really, theyre just johnny come latelys... | 
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Rep Power: 31 | | | What will Obama talk about? The same thing he has talked about from day one. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!! But I asure you all; he will sound very good.
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal I wouldn't expect McCain to have any comfortable relationship with King .. it would be expected of Obama .. and there is a C) it's a hypothetical comment.
Obama has a long history of tossing people under the bus he no longer needs. Hypothetically, that would still never happen. I believe the word you were looking for was "hyberbolic". | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Odd1_Out Which might actually be a reasonable or applicable comment, if A) There were the slightest chance that Dr. King would have spoken out against Obama, or B) Dr. King were still alive.
What sort of interaction do you think McCain would have had with Martin Luther King, Jr.? ... I mean, other than voting against Martin Luther King Day, voting against affirmative action, and even voting against measures to stop discriminatory hiring practices. yeah, those things make him a racist, don't they? | 
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