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10-21-2008, 11:14 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave  And you have the freedom not to borrow.. and not to get that credit card... or use all your credit on your gay Amish midget porn addiction How are you any more free than Australians or Canadians. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave So people who are/were for freedom and liberty were against all those things... utter BULLSHIT... but typical for a socialist... control and manipulate to control the masses.... Yea Dave. Unless you are willing to let someone burn your flag, don't talk about freedom of speech. |
10-21-2008, 11:19 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo How are you any more free than Australians or Canadians. <patiently waiting for answer>
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10-21-2008, 11:19 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo Yea Dave. Unless you are willing to let someone burn your flag, don't talk about freedom of speech. It's been deemed acceptable in protest... still irks my liver, considering I fought for and served my country with honor and have had friends die and be buried under that flag...
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Reason: helps if I use the word "that" instead of "than"
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10-21-2008, 11:20 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal I never said all people who believe in freedom and liberty were against those things. All people who believe in freedom and liberty do not think like you .. I believe in freedom and liberty.
What I said was those who spout "freedom and liberty" as an argument are typically the very same people who were against the things I posted .. simply put .. conservative republicans .. the very same ones who shouted "unamerican" and "freedom and liberty" to anyone who said that the invasion of Iraq was a fraud and a really dumb idea. The very support of a system like socialism is diametrically opposed to the concepts of freedom and liberty
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10-21-2008, 11:21 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave It's been deemed acceptable in protest... still irks my liver, considering I fought for and served my country with honor and have had friends die and be buried under than flag... Sounds like a line from a movie .. but disconnected from reality.
Your friends didn't die for a flag, they died for their country .. which is still here.
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10-21-2008, 11:23 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal Sounds like a line from a movie .. but disconnected from reality.
Your friends didn't die for a flag, they died for their country .. which is still here. Funny... never said that.. but nice attempt at manipulation.. socialism is indeed in your blood
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10-21-2008, 11:30 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal Did we replace the Constitution when we enacted Social Security .. Medicaid/Medicare?
Are we going to replace the Constitution when we enact universal healthcare?
The Constitution says "We the People' .. thus we decide, not voices from hundreds of years in the past. The Constitution is a beautiful framework, crafted by absolutely brilliant men who had the brilliance to craft it to allow for the future. Absolutely fucking brilliant.
... which is why they never used words like "slave" or "slavery" even though it was everywhere around them. They didn't use them because even they knew then that we would not always be slaves, and they allowed for the expansion, growth, and evolution of the Constitution.
Your constutution is safe with democratic socialism The courts reinterpreted the Constitution to allow for social security. The Constitution grants no authority to the federal government to administrate a Social Security system.
You are correct in that if the people continue to ask for a more socialistic country, it will happen. At that time, the Constitution will again have to be reinterpreted and will eventually have to be replaced.  |
10-21-2008, 11:31 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave The very support of a system like socialism is diametrically opposed to the concepts of freedom and liberty You keep sticking to the script, but there are elements of socialism ALREADY in the US .. none of which oppresses anyone .. in fact, EVERY single element of scilaism as it exists in the US, is designed to BENEFIT Americans .. and Americans would scream if you tried to take those elements of socialism away .. like Medicaid .. in fact, we don't even want you to touch it .. like Social Security .. and some elements of socialism in the US had better get more attention if we are to remain competitiveg;obally .. like public schooling
The good news about socialism is that you don't have to convince anyone .. a dynamic society will seek it out.
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10-21-2008, 11:38 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal You keep sticking to the script, but there are elements of socialism ALREADY in the US .. none of which oppresses anyone .. in fact, EVERY single element of scilaism as it exists in the US, is designed to BENEFIT Americans .. and Americans would scream if you tried to take those elements of socialism away .. like Medicaid .. in fact, we don't even want you to touch it .. like Social Security .. and some elements of socialism in the US had better get more attention if we are to remain competitiveg;obally .. like public schooling
The good news about socialism is that you don't have to convince anyone .. a dynamic society will seek it out. To benefit at the expense of others is indeed against the concepts of freedom and liberty and equal treatment under the government....
Yes, I fully support the elimination of most every socialist/social program that is redistributing wealth and assets in our country, thru the government....
It is not a dynamic society that will seek it out.. it is control mongers trying to brainwash the greedy and the lazy into allowing them to obtain the control so that they can have the handouts that they want at the expense of others
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10-21-2008, 11:41 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave Funny... never said that.. but nice attempt at manipulation.. socialism is indeed in your blood It is indeed my brother .. but hey, I'm in your blood too .. not socialism .. me. 
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10-21-2008, 11:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave To benefit at the expense of others is indeed against the concepts of freedom and liberty and equal treatment under the government....
Yes, I fully support the elimination of most every socialist/social program that is redistributing wealth and assets in our country, thru the government....
It is not a dynamic society that will seek it out.. it is control mongers trying to brainwash the greedy and the lazy into allowing them to obtain the control so that they can have the handouts that they want at the expense of others It's as if you're speaking from another planet and have no knowledge of the evidence of not only the last 8 years, but what is clearly before us today. All that matters is the script, reality seems to have no value, teach no lesson, and indicate nothing to you.
You can want all socialsit programs to go away all you want .. it ain't happening.
"handouts" .. you mean like 700 billion dollars worth of handouts. .. and you should look up the term "dynamic" before you attempt to use it. What you argue for is a "static" society that does not move, and thus, does not exist
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10-21-2008, 11:57 AM
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Rep Power: 61 | | | as stated SO many times... I did not support the 700BIL either... but nice try at manipulation again
And just because one does not support socialism, does not mean one is static.... again, nice attempt at manipulation... freedom and liberty based governance is not 'static'
But keep implementing more socialist programs and move more toward socialism and you will indeed, like every other socialist country, realize exactly what a stagnant economy really is
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Quote: Originally Posted by xsited1 The courts reinterpreted the Constitution to allow for social security. The Constitution grants no authority to the federal government to administrate a Social Security system.
You are correct in that if the people continue to ask for a more socialistic country, it will happen. At that time, the Constitution will again have to be reinterpreted and will eventually have to be replaced. The only time the Constitution need be replaced is when "we the people" are no longer it's central core and most important element.
There will always be amendments to it, but it never needs to be replaced.
Democratic socialism is no threat to it whatsoever
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10-21-2008, 12:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave as stated SO many times... I did not support the 700BIL either... but nice try at manipulation again And you keep missing the point. The fact that you don't agree with it IS the point. Now talk to me again about "control mongers" and tell me how that doesn't apply to the bailout. Americans didn't want it, didn't vote on it, don't agree with it. Quote: And just because one does not support socialism, does not mean one is static.... again, nice attempt at manipulation... freedom and liberty based governance is not 'static'
But keep implementing more socialist programs and move more toward socialism and you will indeed, like every other socialist country, realize exactly what a stagnant economy really is Is buzz words all you have? Are Canadiens a free people .. you keep missing the question.
Freedom and liberty are not American concepts and they are not proprietary to the Constitution.
Your fear is that freedom and liberty DOES exist in Canada and elsewhere the principles of socialism are practiced .. time for new buzz words .. "freedom and liberty" have been proven to be nothing more than a strawman.
Oh yeah .. "stagnant economy" .. surely you jest
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