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Old 10-21-2008, 10:40 AM
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If it is 'the future', then the future is bleak indeed

The future is shaped by the failures of the past .. that is the future .. and the failures of an ideology you support have made a tremendous contribution to the shape of that future.

Future generations can look back and clearly identify what not to do .. and what not to believe in.
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The future is shaped by the failures of the past .. that is the future .. and the failures of an ideology you support have made a tremendous contribution to the shape of that future.

Future generations can look back and clearly identify what not to do .. and what not to believe in.
freedom and liberty is not a failure... though whacko socialists wish it would be to be able to more easily implement their control systems
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave View Post
freedom and liberty is not a failure... though whacko socialists wish it would be to be able to more easily implement their control systems
Why do you hate our freedoms then?

You lack honor and you are a fascist and you want wealth distribution because you don't care about our freedoms.

See, we can toss around baseless accusations that don't really prove anything too.
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There is nothing wrong with Socialism. There are plenty of socialists in the world that seem to be quite happy. However, Socialism is not compatible with the U.S. Constitution, so if Socialism is ever accepted by the majority of U.S. citizens, the Constitution will have to be replaced.
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freedom and liberty is not a failure... though whacko socialists wish it would be to be able to more easily implement their control systems
Freedom and liberty

.. nothing more that ideological buzz words for people who coincidentially, stood against civil rights, womens rights, can't stand the smell of gays, and detests immigrants .. uhh, make that non-white immigrants.

Only the United States enjoys "freedom and liberty" .. everybody else in the world wish they were us ... wow

"control systems" .. that's amazing .. you live in a plutocracy and you're afraid of "control systems"

amazing
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What Is Wrong With Socialism!?

What Is Wrong With Socialism is it's fundamental economic principle that the means of production be owned by the state! Pure socialism, i.e. it economic philosophy has never worked throughout all of Western history!
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So people who are/were for freedom and liberty were against all those things... utter BULLSHIT... but typical for a socialist... control and manipulate to control the masses....
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
Freedom and liberty

.. nothing more that ideological buzz words for people who coincidentially, stood against civil rights, womens rights, can't stand the smell of gays, and detests immigrants .. uhh, make that non-white immigrants.

Only the United States enjoys "freedom and liberty" .. everybody else in the world wish they were us ... wow

"control systems" .. that's amazing .. you live in a plutocracy and you're afraid of "control systems"

amazing
You nailed him! He won't get it though.
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What Is Wrong With Socialism is it's fundamental economic principle that the means of production be owned by the state! Pure socialism, i.e. it economic philosophy has never worked throughout all of Western history!
Neither has free markets.

You dummies need to look at how your free markets bankrupted the country.

And communism is a good idea if you look at the definition. It's when it is corrupted, much like your free markets got corrupted, that things start falling apart.

You're capitalism is falling apart just like communism did. Why?
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So people who are/were for freedom and liberty were against all those things... utter BULLSHIT... but typical for a socialist... control and manipulate to control the masses....
Do you realize the credit card companies have us Americans going further and further into debt? The more we go into debt, the more they own us.

This is a stupid argument we are having with stupid brainwashed people.
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There is nothing wrong with Socialism. There are plenty of socialists in the world that seem to be quite happy. However, Socialism is not compatible with the U.S. Constitution, so if Socialism is ever accepted by the majority of U.S. citizens, the Constitution will have to be replaced.

Did we replace the Constitution when we enacted Social Security .. Medicaid/Medicare?

Are we going to replace the Constitution when we enact universal healthcare?

The Constitution says "We the People' .. thus we decide, not voices from hundreds of years in the past. The Constitution is a beautiful framework, crafted by absolutely brilliant men who had the brilliance to craft it to allow for the future. Absolutely fucking brilliant.

... which is why they never used words like "slave" or "slavery" even though it was everywhere around them. They didn't use them because even they knew then that we would not always be slaves, and they allowed for the expansion, growth, and evolution of the Constitution.

Your constutution is safe with democratic socialism
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Do you realize the credit card companies have us Americans going further and further into debt? The more we go into debt, the more they own us.

This is a stupid argument we are having with stupid brainwashed people.
And you have the freedom not to borrow.. and not to get that credit card... or use all your credit on your gay Amish midget porn addiction
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Obama is using the same tax plan as Clinton, nobody cried Socialism back then and we had a surplus when he left office. You can call it whatever ism you want but for 8 years under Clinton this economy was doing great.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Remey688 View Post
What Is Wrong With Socialism is it's fundamental economic principle that the means of production be owned by the state! Pure socialism, i.e. it economic philosophy has never worked throughout all of Western history!
Nor has pure anything, included democracy .. and speaking of economics, nor has the laissez-fare philosophy of "free market" .. it never worked and doesn't even exist in its "pure" form .. and if you need to know why it doesn't exist, see: "robber barons"

What history proves, and continues to prove, is that a mix of philosophical and economic principles work best.
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So people who are/were for freedom and liberty were against all those things... utter BULLSHIT... but typical for a socialist... control and manipulate to control the masses....

I never said all people who believe in freedom and liberty were against those things. All people who believe in freedom and liberty do not think like you .. I believe in freedom and liberty.

What I said was those who spout "freedom and liberty" as an argument are typically the very same people who were against the things I posted .. simply put .. conservative republicans .. the very same ones who shouted "unamerican" and "freedom and liberty" to anyone who said that the invasion of Iraq was a fraud and a really dumb idea.
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