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09-17-2008, 09:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by chapstic you can thank ludacris, wright, naz, and p. diddy for his latest nick name.
if i didn't have any credibility then why continue?
ok, lets talk "moral responsibility". it's not his "moral responsibility" to take my money and give it to people who are to lazy to work. it's not my "moral responsibility" to take care of people i don't know, that are not my family, people i don't care about, never will care about, that are to lazy to work. Nice, in the face serve.
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09-17-2008, 09:13 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by jillian I was bored and it amused me to toy with you.
You are aware that welfare form was enacted during Clinton's administration, right?
somehow I don't think you're top 1% in income and I doubt you make more than $250,000 a year... so you'll get back more money than you do now. So stop your whining.
You can complain all you want about money actually being used to help people. I have a problem with *my* money being used to fund a made up war of choice. I have a bigger problem with that war of choice contributing to a massive economic melt down in this country.... but that's life.  
You SO wish.
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09-17-2008, 09:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Navy1960 Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has received an endorsement he might well wish he hadn’t — from the militant Palestinian group Hamas.
Ahmed Yousuf, Hamas’ top political adviser in the Gaza Strip, delivered his endorsement in an interview with WorldNetDaily and WABC Radio in New York.
“We like Mr. Obama, and we hope that he will win the elections,” Yousuf said
Here is another Obama endorsement that I'm sure wil stand out as well. And George W. Bush received the endorsement from Jerry Fallwell.
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09-17-2008, 09:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by chapstic clinton endorses yo-bama. thank you
somehow i don't think you ever graduated high school.. so you will get part of my paycheck every week. you're welcome.
i never wanted that war, but we are stuck in it now. only thing you can do about it is move out of the country. we can also talk about giving loans to people who were not qualified? but i'm sure you would just rather dodge that discussion. Actually she's a lawyer. She just doesn't know shit about politics.
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09-17-2008, 09:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunny Not really. To each his own. Are you implying there's some problem with people in one's family actually holding their own beliefs instead of just following the family tradition?
If so, I'm fucked because with perhaps 2 exceptions, my entire family are a bunch of delusional liberals. I wouldn't vote for a one of them.
Neither would I vote for McCain if Obama wasn't his opponent. If you read the past threads form the primaries, some of us were actually considering sitting this one out or actually voting for Hillary.
Try counting the actual conservatives on this board that support McCain and his platform. I don't. He's the lesser of two evils. I felt the same way until recently. One of my main objections to Obama was his lack of experience, but now with Sarah Palin only a heartbeat away, I have to wonder which is really the "lesser of two evils". | 
09-17-2008, 09:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Valerie I felt the same way until recently. One of my main objections to Obama was his lack of experience, but now with Sarah Palin only a heartbeat away, I have to wonder which is really the "lesser of two evils". they're all the same--and welcome
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09-17-2008, 09:45 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dilloduck they're all the same--and welcome Thank you.
Pretty much yeah, politicians all.
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09-17-2008, 09:48 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by jillian racist jerks who call someone "yo-bama" really don't have much credibility. But no, it's not the same... I'm not sure that he has even a moral responsibility for the kid his father had with someone else after separating from his mother. Do you?
although we might want to talk about Cindy McCain pretending to be an only child... what say you? I kinda like "Jobama." It's catchy.
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Quote: Originally Posted by greenpartyaz And George W. Bush received the endorsement from Jerry Fallwell.  Are you really comparing Jerry Falwell to a militant terrorist group? Yeah, Falwell was bat shit crazy, but comparing his endorsement to that of a group that advocates suicide bombings and the killing of innocent people is just fuckin ridiculous.
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09-17-2008, 09:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Navy1960 Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has received an endorsement he might well wish he hadn’t — from the militant Palestinian group Hamas.
Ahmed Yousuf, Hamas’ top political adviser in the Gaza Strip, delivered his endorsement in an interview with WorldNetDaily and WABC Radio in New York.
“We like Mr. Obama, and we hope that he will win the elections,” Yousuf said
Here is another Obama endorsement that I'm sure wil stand out as well. Man your working your ass off today arent you Navy, this is like 4 month old news. | 
09-17-2008, 09:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by chapstic you can thank ludacris, wright, naz, and p. diddy for his latest nick name.
if i didn't have any credibility then why continue?
ok, lets talk "moral responsibility". it's not his "moral responsibility" to take my money and give it to people who are to lazy to work. it's not my "moral responsibility" to take care of people i don't know, that are not my family, people i don't care about, never will care about, that are to lazy to work. Who is going to take your money, please explain? | 
09-18-2008, 04:47 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CrimsonWhite Are you really comparing Jerry Falwell to a militant terrorist group? Yeah, Falwell was bat shit crazy, but comparing his endorsement to that of a group that advocates suicide bombings and the killing of innocent people is just fuckin ridiculous.  Falwell supported Anita Bryant's 1977 "Save Our Children" campaign to overturn an ordinance in Dade County, Florida that prohibited discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and a similar movement in California.
And "Save our Children?" Quote: In 1977, Dade County, Florida (now Miami-Dade County) passed an ordinance sponsored by Bryant's former good friend Ruth Shack, that prohibited discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Anita Bryant led a highly publicized campaign to repeal the ordinance. The campaign was waged based on what was labeled "Christian beliefs regarding the sinfulness of homosexuality and the perceived threat of homosexual recruitment of children and child molestation."
Her view was that "What these people really want, hidden behind obscure legal phrases, is the legal right to propose to our children that theirs is an acceptable alternate way of life. [...] I will lead such a crusade to stop it as this country has not seen before." The campaign was called 'Save Our Children', the start of an organized opposition to gay rights that spread across the nation. Jerry Falwell went to Miami to help her.
Bryant made the following statements during the campaign: "As a mother, I know that homosexuals cannot biologically reproduce children; therefore, they must recruit our children" and "If gays are granted rights, next we'll have to give rights to prostitutes and to people who sleep with St. Bernards and to nail biters." On June 7, 1977, Bryant's campaign led to a repeal of the anti-discrimination ordinance by a margin of 69 to 31 percent Quote: Falwell strongly supported racial segregation. In 1965, he gave a sermon at his Thomas Road Baptist Church criticizing Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Civil rights movement, which he sometimes referred to as the "Civil Wrongs Movement". On his Evangelist program The Old-Time Gospel Hour in the mid 1960s, he regularly featured segregationist politicians like Lester Maddox and George Wallace.[12] He said this about Martin Luther King: "I do question the sincerity and non-violent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left wing associations." Despite the fact that MLK was a republican, he was to known have "left wing associations" and questioned his sincerity in the Civil Rights cause. I wonder if risking and giving up his life was good enough for the Rev Jerry Falwell? Quote: Falwell repeatedly denounced certain teachings in public schools and secular education in general, calling them breeding grounds for atheism, secularism, and humanism, which he claimed to be in contradiction with Christian morality. He advocated that the United States change its public education system by implementing a school voucher system which would allow parents to send their children to either public or private schools. Jerry Falwell wrote in America Can Be Saved that "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them." Hear that? Public schools are breeding grounds for atheism, secularism, and humanism so therefore they're are evil. He can't wait til the day the Christians and the church have taken them over again. So much for separation of church and state. Quote: In urging the repeal of the ordinance, Falwell told one crowd, "Gay folks would just as soon kill you as look at you."[24] When the mostly gay Metropolitan Community Church was almost accepted into the World Council of Churches, Falwell called them "brute beasts" and stated, "this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there'll be a celebration in heaven."[25] He later denied this and was sued and lost the case.[26] Falwell also regularly linked the AIDS pandemic to LGBT issues and stated, “AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals, it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”[27] Amongst many remarks over the years he is probably most known for statements attributed to him about a Teletubby being a gay role model for homosexual recruitment and stating that gays and lesbians were amongst those in some way responsible for the September 11 attacks. Ironically, he condemned Fred Phelps' controversial Westboro Baptist Church, on the basis of believing that abortion clinic bombings were harmful to the furthering of the pro-life movement. Sounds like a nice guy huh?
Oh and don't worry Jewish people, the Rev did not leave you out. Quote: In 1999, Falwell declared the Antichrist would probably arrive within a decade and "Of course he'll be Jewish."[44] After anti-Semitism charges Falwell apologized and explained that he was simply expressing the theological tenet that the Antichrist and Christ share many attributes. Quote: The fact that Marc Cherry's a gay Republican means he should join the Democratic Party.
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Hell, he was close to saying you might as well kill them. This guy wasn't just bat-shit insane, he was well..look for yourself above.
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09-18-2008, 04:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Robert_Santurri Of course, down play it instead of focusing on what he says.
If John McCain's own family doesn't recognize him, then that is saying something. I did: Quote: If there ever were a Republican we might consider voting for, it would have been my cousin John. They would NEVER have considered...
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09-18-2008, 06:26 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CrimsonWhite I kinda like "Jobama." It's catchy. Jobama's kind of cute. I used to get annoyed when people called McCain "McSame", but that one's grown on me, too...
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09-18-2008, 06:32 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Robert_Santurri Every family has a kook. With mine, it's my far-left brother and his anarchist son. With Mickey, its this nutbag. So what's your point? |  | |
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