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Quote: Originally Posted by PubliusInfinitu View Post
The below paragraph is a Salon.con article that is classic evidence of the left's desperation... Advancing long discredited lies as fact and doing os knowing that they are passing along lies, which makes them liars... what's even more pathetic is how they can't even muster original humor, ripping off Governor Palin's jokes...

Now this is what the left thinks of as mainstream media... The left is hysterical as they watch what was a sure bet only a few short weeks ago, slip away, with every attempt to splash it back forcing it farther out to sea...
We got so much dirt on her that is true, why do we need to make anything up? Here are a few examples of FACTS:

Sarah Palin is involved with the Alaska Independence Party. They want to break away from America and be their own country. Is there anything more anti American?



"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

Alaska Independence Party Founder Broadcast Hatred Of America





She lied about being against the bridge to nowhere. She only stopped the project after it became a national embarrassment and SHE KEPT THE MONEY.



Think Progress Lies To Nowhere: The McCain Campaign’s Inaccuracies On Palin’s Bridge To Nowhere Support



She says she will fight lobbyists but actually hired one to secure millions in earmarks:



Palin Hired Lobbyist to Get Millions in Earmarks | The Political Chase

Also, Palin was a Pentecostal for over 20 years. They speak in tongues and believe the “end days” are nearing. That should alarm you because Pentecostals believe the war in the middle east is the start of it all. And the GOP are trying to start a war with russia & iran, and Israel has something to do with it too. Look up End of Days.

Palin says on the video, "Pray for our military men, for our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God.

Her campaign says she doesn't mix her faith with government business. But Palin did ask her audience to pray for a $30 billion natural gas pipeline she is on a mission to build in Alaska. In the video Palin says, "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built. So pray for that ... I can do my job there in developing my natural resources. But all of that doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart is not good with God."

Pastor Ed Kalnin, the senior pastor of Palin's former Pentecostal church, has also come under fire for his comments. In 2004, he told church members if they voted for John Kerry for president, they wouldn't get into heaven. He told them, "I question your salvation."
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There is no logic for supporting McCain or Palin if you are a do nothing loser that only wants more and more from the government and cares nothing about the country you live in.
Before I comment, I want to know specifically who falls into that category?

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Before I comment, I want to know specifically who falls into that category?
Most of these do nothing losers that are brought up by the ignorant assholes in the world are children.

The only loser I see here is OJ... why do you hate children?
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WTH is this, who said anything about hating children?

This is so stupid i shouldn't reply. (Sounds like you were one of those people i was describing-)

I love children, first of all. I have two of them that are the most important thing in my life, in which i work my ass off, to provide for. I want my children to grow up and have the same opertunities in life that i had. Rather than grow up in a Communist America that is over ran by a huge democratic government.

I havent heard of any children starving in America.
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I havent heard of any children starving in America.
That is fortunate for you because it is very unpleasent to know. Children are starving, families do indeed live on the streets. There are people working as hard as you do but do not make nearly enough. People who try but fall short.
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Then why are there all these liberal infomercials trying to get us to donate to some 3rd world country? We need to help ourselves first.. who cares about those other countries.

And if there werent so many ABUSING the welfare system, then maybe the ones that need it would have access to it.
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Then why are there all these liberal infomercials trying to get us to donate to some 3rd world country? We need to help ourselves first.. who cares about those other countries.

And if there werent so many ABUSING the welfare system, then maybe the ones that need it would have access to it.
They do not have welfare. Their leaders do not are about them half as much as ours care about us. So don't donate, fine, but last time I checked, Americans do what they acan to helps the less fortunate.
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think you are missing the point. The point is, IT AINT THAT BAD OVER HERE.
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Dude, I would like to give you a reality check because it seems you are spending too much time on these forums. Everyone who is going to vote in this election LOVES American and would gladly give their lives for it. Calling me a 'would-be American' is just sad.
It has always been American to help others in need. If I were making more than 100k a year, I wouldd be giving back. It sounds like you have no heart. Sure, let people freeze and starve in our own country if you wanna keep your bank account nice and big. Some good American you are.
So you love America?

Maybe you should tell us what that means... American's always help others, it’s part of who we are; but Hussein is not about helping people; he is about stealing from people; he doesn't believe in individual human rights, he doesn't believe that the individual is rightfully entitled to pursue happiness due to the rights endowed to him by his creator... now how do we know that? Because he is planning on confiscating the property of individuals who are rightfully entitled to their property because they justly earned it and giving that property to those who did NOT justly earn that property. THAT SIR, is the very antithesis of "AMERICAN."

Yet you claim to adhere to that anti-American thesis and to claim to love America. SO I ask you again, sir; what pray-tell is ‘America’ to you?

Do you believe in the Rights endowed to the individual by Nature's God to their life and to purse the fulfillment of that life? Do you believe that this right provides that an individual is rightfully entitled to the full use of the product of their labor; and that no man has the right to unjustly strip another of the product of their labor and that the only justification for stripping an individual of their rights is that THEY HAVE VIOLATED THE RIGHT OF ANOTHER, thus forfeiting their rights as a result?
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo View Post
We got so much dirt on her that is true, why do we need to make anything up? Here are a few examples of FACTS:

Sarah Palin is involved with the Alaska Independence Party. They want to break away from America and be their own country. Is there anything more anti American?
That's a lie... this member has absolutely no information to support this, thus the member knows that this assertion is false and still she tries to pass it off as fact for the purposes of deception.

The only this halfwit can offer is Governor Palin offering a best wishes to a political party as they began their annual convention.

With that said, Go read what the Alaska Independence Party stands for... then go read what the Democrats stand for and ask yourself which party is closer to the concept "American."


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"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

Alaska Independence Party Founder Broadcast Hatred Of America
"The American Government" This guy was locked out of using his own land by Left wing Enviro-whackos... His land was his life and it was stolen from him by the Left. It is sad that he confuses Leftists with Americans and thus where he sees Leftist government policy in the US government he erroneously refers to that as The American Government... I doubt this guy feels any more disgust with the people hat stole his property than I or any other American does.



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She lied about being against the bridge to nowhere. She only stopped the project after it became a national embarrassment and SHE KEPT THE MONEY.



Think Progress Lies To Nowhere: The McCain Campaign’s Inaccuracies On Palin’s Bridge To Nowhere Support
Governor Palin stopped the Bridge to nowhere... PERIOD.


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She says she will fight lobbyists but actually hired one to secure millions in earmarks:



Palin Hired Lobbyist to Get Millions in Earmarks | The Political Chase
Its the right of every American to redress their government... What's the problem? With that said Governor Palin did not hire anyone 'to get millions in earmarks'... Now I challenge you to post factual evidence supporting your assertion; now factual evidence does NOT include another leftist claiming that she did...

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Also, Palin was a Pentecostal for over 20 years. They speak in tongues and believe the “end days” are nearing.
Friend the 'end days' are nearing... Only a fool in the extreme would assert otherwise.

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That should alarm you because Pentecostals believe the war in the middle east is the start of it all. And the GOP are trying to start a war with russia & iran, and Israel has something to do with it too. Look up End of Days.
Post factual evidence in support of your implied assertion that 'the GOP is trying to start a war with Russia, Iran and Israel in order to foment Armageddon... Your certain failure to do so will be your concession, refuting your claim in all certainty.

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Palin says on the video, "Pray for our military men, for our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God.
Do you have any evidence that the task is not from God? If so post it... again, your failure to support this nonsense will be your own self refuting concession.

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Her campaign says she doesn't mix her faith with government business. But Palin did ask her audience to pray for a $30 billion natural gas pipeline she is on a mission to build in Alaska. In the video Palin says, "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built. So pray for that ... I can do my job there in developing my natural resources. But all of that doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart is not good with God."
Her Campaign has never said that Governor Palin does not bring her faith in God and the principles on which that faith rests to her governance... as such a position would be asinine; beyond absurd; all Americans bring their faith to their governance, as to do otherwise would be anathema to everything their faith represents.

As is typical, what we have here is a secular humanist confusing religious faith with doctrine; it's a function of their severe intellectual limitations.

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Pastor Ed Kalnin, the senior pastor of Palin's former Pentecostal church, has also come under fire for his comments. In 2004, he told church members if they voted for John Kerry for president, they wouldn't get into heaven. He told them, "I question your salvation."
The Pastor didn't come under fire... at best his wide awake perspective was criticized by the secular humanist who resent being identified as evil... but that's evil for ya... it prefers darkness and HATES it when those such as the good Pastor shine the light of truth on it...
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You are a soldier and I respect that, even more so than most people because I am a military history buff. But his plan will not drive corperations out of the contry, Bush has already done that by gving tax insentives to companies to outsource jobs. Obama plans to remove these tax breaks. His plan does not go into the trillions, he plans to use 75 billion to restimulate the economy.

This last statement is for you as well as everyone here. Stop calling people names, you are acting like two-year-olds. I do not see that obama has shown any signs of racism and if you want me to elaborate on the soialist thing, I will.
This species of reasoning is thoroughly bereft of reason... There is nothing complicated here... Leftist increase expenses on business, business seeks to lower their expenses to increase profits... Thus leftism is the enemy of commerce; now there is no basis in reasoning as to why a US corporation would go through the hassle and expense of leaving the US, except that the hassle and expense involved in moving are less than the hassle and expenses involved in staying in the US.

Bush did not 'drive corporations out of the US by giving tax incentives to companies to outsource jobs.' The assertion is absurd on it's face.

As other members have pointed out, US corporations are saddled with absurd regulatory expenses (AKA: Liabilities) which make them less competitive in the global economy. It is their right to hire anyone they want and their duty to hire a work force which will provide for the equitable productivity required to excel in the market for as little expense as is possible.

Hussein will only increase those expenses and as such will drive more US companies to 'outsource;' which will decrease US employment, reduce US GDP and drive the economy further south, in no less than two contexts and on several levels.
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He dont want a job, he just wants a check.
But what he doesn't understand is that if Hussain takes over, there will be no jobs that pay 250k (except government officials which we pay for) so there wont be any left over for him there either.
Just get a job and quit reaching for handouts. Its the american way.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Haro View Post
Yes, you do pump money direstly into the economy. Great Depression, FDR Keynesian economics. If you are making more than 200 grand a year, then you should be taxed a higher percent than the pople making less than 50 grand a year. This plan will not cause companies to fire Americans because most companies use the incentives Obama plans to remove to outsource jobs. To reduce military speding does not mean to make us less safe. We sendd more on our military each year than the rest of the world combined. If we pulled out of Iraq and focused on Afghanistan, that would be a money saver. And we take our money from the super rich, the people who have billions.
Are you completely out of your mind? Taking MORE tax from those making 200+ would hurt those making 50 or less..

The people making 200+ a year are buying new vehicles, atv's, homes.. things that peope making 50 or so per year do for a living!

There should be a straight % across the board..

Taxing 200+ households a higher % is like punishing them for having a higher paying job.. Thats obsurd.
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Quote: Originally Posted by PubliusInfinitu View Post
The below paragraph is a Salon.con article that is classic evidence of the left's desperation... Advancing long discredited lies as fact and doing os knowing that they are passing along lies, which makes them liars... what's even more pathetic is how they can't even muster original humor, ripping off Governor Palin's jokes...

Now this is what the left thinks of as mainstream media... The left is hysterical as they watch what was a sure bet only a few short weeks ago, slip away, with every attempt to splash it back forcing it farther out to sea...
Unless you are blind, you can see the dark intentions of Rovian publicity, of double speak, of playing out the clock, of distracting voters from the fact that eight years of republican leadership took this country down the tubes and Mr. McBush is more of the same.

Your income shrinks as living expenses mushroom, the unemployment rate is at a new high, the war-to-nowhere rages without a plan that works, youth continue to be born then fed to the war monster, US education ranks 25th internationally, our infrastructure is collapsing, systems inadequately respond to national disasters, and we keep getting fed the republican double talk about how they are the answer. If this is progress, save us from failure!

Free yourself so you can see.

No Third Term For Bush/McCain.
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Quote: Originally Posted by PubliusInfinitu View Post
So you love America?

Maybe you should tell us what that means... American's always help others, it’s part of who we are; but Hussein is not about helping people; he is about stealing from people; he doesn't believe in individual human rights, he doesn't believe that the individual is rightfully entitled to pursue happiness due to the rights endowed to him by his creator... now how do we know that? Because he is planning on confiscating the property of individuals who are rightfully entitled to their property because they justly earned it and giving that property to those who did NOT justly earn that property. THAT SIR, is the very antithesis of "AMERICAN."

Yet you claim to adhere to that anti-American thesis and to claim to love America. SO I ask you again, sir; what pray-tell is ‘America’ to you?

Do you believe in the Rights endowed to the individual by Nature's God to their life and to purse the fulfillment of that life? Do you believe that this right provides that an individual is rightfully entitled to the full use of the product of their labor; and that no man has the right to unjustly strip another of the product of their labor and that the only justification for stripping an individual of their rights is that THEY HAVE VIOLATED THE RIGHT OF ANOTHER, thus forfeiting their rights as a result?
Why do you keep referring to Hussein, I do not support support him or have ever said anything to that effect. I do NOT support the usurpation of property or wealth from others. I do believe that any person with any sort of heart would care that people are dying of hunger in their own country.
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